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On this date 155 years ago....
Posted on 3/8/19 at 6:45 pm
Posted on 3/8/19 at 6:45 pm
A major general of average height and stocky build entered the main lobby of the famous Willard Hotel in downtown Washington D.C. that late afternoon. Approaching the counter with his young son in tow, the general asked if the hotel had any rooms available. The clerk at the counter looked at the general before him. His unkempt uniform and faded stars, his mud-stained trousers and boots, all gave the clerk a picture of a man who did not belong in this hotel. Not only that, the clerk needed to only go into the neighboring parlor, throw a rock, and hit a man of equivalent field rank.
Unimpressed with this man, the clerk said that all of their guest rooms were full but that one of their upper rooms in the attic was available for rent. The general nodded his approval and stated to the clerk that those particular accommodations would suffice. Laughing inwardly at this country bumpkin of a general, the clerk asked him to sign his name into the guest book. The general obliged.
When the clerk turned the guest book around to glance at the man's name, his face turned a shade of different colors all at once. There on the guest book, written quite legibly, were the words, "U.S. Grant & son." The clerk immediately looked up at Grant, then back down at the page, then announced quite cheerfully: "The presidential suite is ready for you, General Grant!"
So...it was on this date in 1864 that Ulysses S. Grant arrived in Washington D.C. to accept the position of General-in-Chief of all Union Armies. Within a matter of days, he would be promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General - the first U.S. commander to hold that rank since George Washington. And within just two months, he and Robert E. Lee would be fighting in northern Virginia in a campaign that can only be described as the birth of modern warfare.
And it was all set in motion.....155 years ago today.
Unimpressed with this man, the clerk said that all of their guest rooms were full but that one of their upper rooms in the attic was available for rent. The general nodded his approval and stated to the clerk that those particular accommodations would suffice. Laughing inwardly at this country bumpkin of a general, the clerk asked him to sign his name into the guest book. The general obliged.
When the clerk turned the guest book around to glance at the man's name, his face turned a shade of different colors all at once. There on the guest book, written quite legibly, were the words, "U.S. Grant & son." The clerk immediately looked up at Grant, then back down at the page, then announced quite cheerfully: "The presidential suite is ready for you, General Grant!"
So...it was on this date in 1864 that Ulysses S. Grant arrived in Washington D.C. to accept the position of General-in-Chief of all Union Armies. Within a matter of days, he would be promoted to the rank of Lieutenant General - the first U.S. commander to hold that rank since George Washington. And within just two months, he and Robert E. Lee would be fighting in northern Virginia in a campaign that can only be described as the birth of modern warfare.
And it was all set in motion.....155 years ago today.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 6:52 pm to RollTide1987
Hopefully he got free wifi for that kind of hassle
Posted on 3/8/19 at 6:52 pm to RollTide1987
Gonna be a lot of butt hurt and slander in this thread
Posted on 3/8/19 at 6:56 pm to RollTide1987
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Unimpressed with this man, the clerk said that all of their guest rooms were full but that one of their upper rooms in the attic was available for rent.
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There on the guest book, written quite legibly, were the words, "U.S. Grant & son." The clerk immediately looked up at Grant, then back down at the page, then announced quite cheerfully: "The presidential suite is ready for you, General Grant!"
That clerk was an a-hole.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 6:58 pm to upgrayedd
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Hopefully he got free wifi for that kind of hassle
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:04 pm to RollTide1987
states do not have the right to legalize a federally controlled drug because Grant squashed "states rights"
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:07 pm to JETigER
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Grant squashed "states rights"
That’s your big takeaway from the Civil War, huh?
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:10 pm to LarryCLE
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That’s your big takeaway from the Civil War, huh?
It’s easily the more far reaching and devastating effect.
Voluntary manumission was 10, 20 years away, tops. And wouldn’t have killed half
A million people and devastated an economic region not to mention the cultural backlash
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:15 pm to RollTide1987
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This post was edited on 7/28/19 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:21 pm to Ping Pong
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Grant did not try to outsmart Lee.
He would never have outsmarted lee. Lee was a brilliant tactician. Shame we couldn’t have fought Canada or something.
Grant beat lee through attrition and NOT trying to beat him with tactics. He just flanked
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:23 pm to fr33manator
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He would never have outsmarted lee. Lee was a brilliant tactician. Shame we couldn’t have fought Canada or something. Grant beat lee through attrition and NOT trying to beat him with tactics. He just flanked
Exactly. Grant's strategy was an acceptance of Lee's superiority. His major advantage was the size of his army, so he used it.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:23 pm to LarryCLE
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That’s your big takeaway from the Civil War, huh?
What was your big takeaway from the Civil war?
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:31 pm to Hickok
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What was your big takeaway from the Civil war?
I didn’t quote enough of his original statement, but my big takeaway is that freeing slaves is probably a more important outcome of the Civil War than not being able to smoke weed freely.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:38 pm to Ping Pong
The Union army was not the most powerful army on earth.
Moltke and the Prussians would have smoked them.
Moltke and the Prussians would have smoked them.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:42 pm to LarryCLE
I would argue the Civil War saved the country from the terrible disease of slavery, but only by infecting it with an ultimately fatal one - that being the consolidation of power at the federal level.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:50 pm to Ping Pong
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Grant's strategy was an acceptance of Lee's superiority.
Incorrect.
Grant actually underestimated Lee and admits it as much in his memoirs. After the Battle of Cold Harbor, Grant realized it was time to change tactics and made his famous flanking march around Lee's army to cross the James River south of Richmond.
When you read Lee's dispatches you get the sense that the man he is fighting is unlike any commander he has faced up to that point in time. There were moments early in the campaign (particularly on May 6 and May 12) where Grant almost split Lee's army in two. The timely arrival of reinforcements saved Lee's army from disaster on both occasions.
Lee also had some near misses to deliver a decisive blow against Grant. Longstreet's counter-attack against Grant on May 6 may have dealt a major blow to the Army of the Potomac if Longstreet had not been seriously wounded by his own men. Ewell also had a shot to turn the flank of Grant's right flank but failed to take advantage of the opportunity until it was too late.
Lee also missed a golden opportunity at the North Anna River in late-May. Grant's army was divided into three separate pieces by flood waters and Lee a good chance at destroying one of its three parts before he got hit with a severe case of diarrhea. The Battle of North Anna River merely devolved into a sharp but short skirmish and not the grand set-piece battle Lee had hoped for.
Both Grant and Lee battled each other to a stalemate from May 5-June 5, 1864. There had been two draws (The Wilderness and the North Anna River), one Union victory (Spotsylvania Court House) and one Confederate victory (Cold Harbor). After Cold Harbor, Grant slipped around Lee and got Lee bogged down around Petersburg where Lee's army slowly collapsed over the course of nine brutal months of siege warfare.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 7:53 pm to Kcprogguitar
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The Union army was not the most powerful army on earth.
Moltke and the Prussians would have smoked them.
The combined forces of the US and Confederacy with Lee at the helm would've given the Prussian's all they wanted.
The Union on its own with Grant would've had no chance. Setting aside Moltke >>> Grant on the generalship side, the AoP was fielding ~120-150k, Sherman had another 80k, Moltke and the Prussians were fielding 320k against the French.
All of the tactics Grant employed against the CSA would've been useless against an opponent with numerical superiority.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 8:16 pm to LarryCLE
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I didn’t quote enough of his original statement, but my big takeaway is that freeing slaves is probably a more important outcome of the Civil War than not being able to smoke weed freely.
Because when I think of states rights I think of smoking weed, not murdering infants or taxation to the point of theft. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad the slaves were freed, but slavery still exists in the world and I don't see you out to destroy it with a muzzle and a bayonet.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 8:27 pm to RollTide1987
Grant was a fricking drunk and lucky to win.
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