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re: 5 Officers shot in Houston
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:28 am to Charlie Arglist
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:28 am to Charlie Arglist
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WHAT THE frick could y'all be talking about other than concern for the police officers??????
I just got on here and people are spouting off retarded shite about gun control and saying stupid shite about firearms... crap pisses me off... stupid "time to start a conversation" political bullshite
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Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:30 am to Cump11b
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would be interested to see your source for this... im guessing it is right along side the bullshite myth that you can't shoot someone with a .50 cal because the bullet has so much velocity itll split someone in half by mearly passing by them.
Umm.... it’s kinda widely known........... LINK
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On September 19th, 1918 the Germans sent along the following message to the US Secretary of State: "The German Government protests against the use of shotguns by the American Army and calls attention to the fact that according to the laws of war, every prisoner found to have in his possession such guns or ammunition belonging thereto forfeits his life. This protest is based upon article 23(e) of the Hague convention respecting the laws and customs of war on land. Reply by cable is required before October 1, 1918"
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Dude... the Germans used mustard gas and invented the MG-42, which has the highest rate of fire for a medium caliber machine besides a fricking 7.62 mini-gun. I can't imagine the Germans raising hell over a fricking pump shotgun.
Well, dude, you’d be fricking wrong.
Now say you’re sorry
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:31 am to pkloa
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Weapons designed for maximum lethality shouldn't be in our hands
Bullets aren’t designed to tickle. They are made to kill, and their lethality rests in the hands of the man who holds it.
Slippery slope isn’t fiction
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:33 am to Cump11b
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Dude... the Germans used mustard gas and invented the MG-42, which has the highest rate of fire for a medium caliber machine besides a fricking 7.62 mini-gun. I can't imagine the Germans raising hell over a fricking pump shotgun.
You must be pretty ignorant of WW1. Listen to Blueprint for Armageddon
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:36 am to beerJeep
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Well, dude, you’d be fricking wrong.
Now say you’re sorry
Well I didn't say you were wrong, I said i'd like to see the source so thanks for the source... and you were right. not saying i'm sorry though
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:38 am to Cump11b
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Well I didn't say you were wrong
No, you just assumed I was spewing shite.
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and you were right. not saying i'm sorry though
Well that’s mighty rude of you. I wouldn’t baselessly accuse you of talking bullshite without doing my research.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:43 am to pkloa
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The US military is the place for a Mk 19, not Jim's garage.
Please... introduce me to Jim with the MK-19 who has a case of HEDP rounds... I'll wait
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The moron on one side asks if I want to ban knives, the moron on the other asks if citizens should own anti-aircraft missiles.
Who in the frick has asked about anti-aircraft missiles? Do you have any idea how much a stinger costs?
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Reasonable people in the 21st century should be able to find middle ground.
That is stupid... it is written on some really old paper... there's no need for middle ground.
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Weapons designed for maximum lethality shouldn't be in our hands
Please define weapons designed for maximum lethality... last I checked, I can't own hand grenades or motor systems.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:44 am to beerJeep
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Well that’s mighty rude of you. I wouldn’t baselessly accuse you of talking bull shite without doing my research.
Fine... I'm sorry
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:44 am to Cump11b
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Fine... I'm sorry
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 12:45 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:51 am to fr33manator
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You must be pretty ignorant of WW1
I will admit, I am. I know more about WWII to the present day
Posted on 1/29/19 at 12:53 am to Cump11b
We all are until we learn. Ignorance is the natural state, that’s why we must overcome it with learning.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 8:27 am to nola000
Still getting the downvotes, huh?
I don't normally do this but sometimes you just have to rub the dogs nose in shite.
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No-knock warrants have been controversial for various reasons. There have been cases where burglars have robbed homes by pretending to be officers with a no-knock warrant. There have been many cases where armed homeowners, believing that they are being invaded, have shot at officers, resulting in deaths on both sides.
Phonesavanh Case
In Cornelia, Georgia, a police informant alleged that he had bought $50 of methamphetamine from Wanis Thonetheva, a 30-year-old dealer at a residence belonging to Amanda Thonetheva, his mother. The dealer did not reside at the house, which contained no drugs or weapons, though a family with four young children lived in the house.[6] Sheriff's Deputy Nikki Autry secured a no-knock warrant after awaking a county magistrate at his home and making inaccurate sworn statements to him.[1]
Police executed a no-knock, pre-dawn raid at 2:25am, with a SWAT team breaching a door with a ram and throwing a flash-bang stun grenade into a room with a 19 month old child. The grenade exploded inside the infant's crib, igniting the crib and his pillow, causing "blast burn injuries to the face and chest; a complex laceration of the nose, upper lip and face; 20% of the right upper lip missing; the external nose being separated from the underlying bone; and a large avulsion burn injury to the chest with a resulting left pulmonary contusion and sepsis"[7]
The infant was placed in a medically induced coma, and needed a series of surgeries that cost more than a million dollars, becoming the subject of a lawsuit against the police department to pay medical bills. The legal case argued that children's toys, including a plastic child's pool were in the yard and the packaging for the play-pen the infant was sleeping in was next to the door the police breached, and the lawsuit alleges that police are "plainly incompetent" for failing to know that children were in the room.
The search yielded no drugs, no drug dealer and no weapons, and the drug dealer was arrested the next day without the use of flash-bang grenades.
The civil lawsuit was eventually settled, with the county paying $3.6 million, including approximately $1.65 million in pain and suffering.[8] A Habersham County, Georgia grand jury declined to indict any of the participants, but did release a strongly worded report.[1] Federal prosecutors then secured an indictment against Deputy Autry.[1] She was acquitted of any wrongdoing by a federal jury after a weeklong trial.[1]
Other examples
Kathryn Johnston (1914–2006) was an elderly Atlanta, Georgia, woman shot by three undercover police officers in her home on November 21, 2006, after she fired one shot at the ceiling, assuming her home was being invaded. While the officers were wounded by friendly fire, none of the officers received life-threatening injuries, but Johnston was killed by their gunfire.[4]
Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street.[9][10]
Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police pulled him out of intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him.[11][12]
Ismael Mena was shot and killed by SWAT team officers in Denver, Colorado, who were performing a no-knock raid that was approved by a judge acting on false information contained in a search warrant. The police believed there to be drugs in the house, but no drugs were found on the premises, and it was later revealed that the address given to the SWAT team by officer Joseph Bini was the wrong one. Jefferson County District Attorney Dave Thomas investigated the matter and cleared the officers involved with the raid on the grounds that Mena had pointed a gun and fired it at SWAT officers, although who fired first remains in dispute. However, many have objected to the investigation's findings due to inconsistencies in the various officers' account of what happened. The American Civil Liberties Union, and others, have objected to the Denver Police Department's request for a no-knock raid and the judge's decision to allow such a raid on the grounds that they failed to meet the criteria necessary for a no-knock raid.[13]
A Georgia SWAT team shot and killed an armed homeowner, David Hooks, during a drug raid sparked by the word of a self-confessed meth addict and burglar who had robbed the property the previous day. David Hooks' wife, Teresa, looked outside and saw people with hoods on the evening of the raid and woke up her husband. Fearing the burglar or burglars who had struck two nights earlier had returned, Hooks armed himself. Despite the fact that the search warrant did not have a 'no knock' clause, the Drug Task Force and SRT members broke down the back door of the family's home and entered firing in excess of 16 shots. There is no evidence that David Hooks ever fired a weapon, nor was there any evidence he was involved in drugs. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation conducted an intensive 44-hour search of the property and came up with not one item of contraband.[14]
Hempstead, New York settled claims by Iyanna Davis for $650,000 after police in May 2010 shot her in the breast during their accidental execution of a no-knock warrant on the wrong address. Officer Michael Capobianco explained that he had unintentionally shot the 22-year-old woman after he tripped. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooter.[1]
A Burleson County, Texas grand jury refused to indict Hank Magee for capital murder after he shot and killed a deputy sheriff inside his home during execution of a no-knock warrant on December 19, 2013.[15]
In Killeen, Texas, a grand jury indicted Marvin Louis Guy for capital murder after he shot and killed a police detective outside his home during execution of a no-knock warrant on May 9, 2014.[15]
In 2013, Tucson, Arizona agreed to settle claims by the family of Jose Guereña for $3.4 million after SWAT officers fired 71 shots in the seven seconds after their unannounced entry. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooters.[1]
In December 2016, a jury in Corpus Christi, Texas acquitted Ray Rosas of attempted capital murder because it concluded that he was unaware the three home intruders he shot were SWAT officers. Prior to his acquittal, Rosas had spent 664 days in jail.[1]
In 2016, Framingham, Massachusetts agreed to settle claims by the family of Eurie Stamps for $3.75 million after SWAT officers shot the 68-year-old in the back while he was compliant and lying on his stomach. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooter.[1]
Wow you googled and found what 16 cases over a period of time but how many successful no-knock warrants were executed during the same period of time?
I don't normally do this but sometimes you just have to rub the dogs nose in shite.
quote:
No-knock warrants have been controversial for various reasons. There have been cases where burglars have robbed homes by pretending to be officers with a no-knock warrant. There have been many cases where armed homeowners, believing that they are being invaded, have shot at officers, resulting in deaths on both sides.
Phonesavanh Case
In Cornelia, Georgia, a police informant alleged that he had bought $50 of methamphetamine from Wanis Thonetheva, a 30-year-old dealer at a residence belonging to Amanda Thonetheva, his mother. The dealer did not reside at the house, which contained no drugs or weapons, though a family with four young children lived in the house.[6] Sheriff's Deputy Nikki Autry secured a no-knock warrant after awaking a county magistrate at his home and making inaccurate sworn statements to him.[1]
Police executed a no-knock, pre-dawn raid at 2:25am, with a SWAT team breaching a door with a ram and throwing a flash-bang stun grenade into a room with a 19 month old child. The grenade exploded inside the infant's crib, igniting the crib and his pillow, causing "blast burn injuries to the face and chest; a complex laceration of the nose, upper lip and face; 20% of the right upper lip missing; the external nose being separated from the underlying bone; and a large avulsion burn injury to the chest with a resulting left pulmonary contusion and sepsis"[7]
The infant was placed in a medically induced coma, and needed a series of surgeries that cost more than a million dollars, becoming the subject of a lawsuit against the police department to pay medical bills. The legal case argued that children's toys, including a plastic child's pool were in the yard and the packaging for the play-pen the infant was sleeping in was next to the door the police breached, and the lawsuit alleges that police are "plainly incompetent" for failing to know that children were in the room.
The search yielded no drugs, no drug dealer and no weapons, and the drug dealer was arrested the next day without the use of flash-bang grenades.
The civil lawsuit was eventually settled, with the county paying $3.6 million, including approximately $1.65 million in pain and suffering.[8] A Habersham County, Georgia grand jury declined to indict any of the participants, but did release a strongly worded report.[1] Federal prosecutors then secured an indictment against Deputy Autry.[1] She was acquitted of any wrongdoing by a federal jury after a weeklong trial.[1]
Other examples
Kathryn Johnston (1914–2006) was an elderly Atlanta, Georgia, woman shot by three undercover police officers in her home on November 21, 2006, after she fired one shot at the ceiling, assuming her home was being invaded. While the officers were wounded by friendly fire, none of the officers received life-threatening injuries, but Johnston was killed by their gunfire.[4]
Two former Los Angeles Police Department officers, along with 13 others, have plead guilty to running a robbery ring, which used fake no-knock raids as a ruse to catch victims off guard. The defendants would then steal cash and drugs to sell on the street.[9][10]
Tracy Ingle was shot in his house five times during a no-knock raid in North Little Rock, Arkansas. After the police entered the house Tracy thought armed robbers had entered the house and intended to scare them away with a non-working gun. The police expected to find drugs, but none were found. He was brought to the intensive care, but police pulled him out of intensive care for questioning, after which they arrested him and charged him with assault on the officers who shot him.[11][12]
Ismael Mena was shot and killed by SWAT team officers in Denver, Colorado, who were performing a no-knock raid that was approved by a judge acting on false information contained in a search warrant. The police believed there to be drugs in the house, but no drugs were found on the premises, and it was later revealed that the address given to the SWAT team by officer Joseph Bini was the wrong one. Jefferson County District Attorney Dave Thomas investigated the matter and cleared the officers involved with the raid on the grounds that Mena had pointed a gun and fired it at SWAT officers, although who fired first remains in dispute. However, many have objected to the investigation's findings due to inconsistencies in the various officers' account of what happened. The American Civil Liberties Union, and others, have objected to the Denver Police Department's request for a no-knock raid and the judge's decision to allow such a raid on the grounds that they failed to meet the criteria necessary for a no-knock raid.[13]
A Georgia SWAT team shot and killed an armed homeowner, David Hooks, during a drug raid sparked by the word of a self-confessed meth addict and burglar who had robbed the property the previous day. David Hooks' wife, Teresa, looked outside and saw people with hoods on the evening of the raid and woke up her husband. Fearing the burglar or burglars who had struck two nights earlier had returned, Hooks armed himself. Despite the fact that the search warrant did not have a 'no knock' clause, the Drug Task Force and SRT members broke down the back door of the family's home and entered firing in excess of 16 shots. There is no evidence that David Hooks ever fired a weapon, nor was there any evidence he was involved in drugs. The Georgia Bureau of Investigation conducted an intensive 44-hour search of the property and came up with not one item of contraband.[14]
Hempstead, New York settled claims by Iyanna Davis for $650,000 after police in May 2010 shot her in the breast during their accidental execution of a no-knock warrant on the wrong address. Officer Michael Capobianco explained that he had unintentionally shot the 22-year-old woman after he tripped. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooter.[1]
A Burleson County, Texas grand jury refused to indict Hank Magee for capital murder after he shot and killed a deputy sheriff inside his home during execution of a no-knock warrant on December 19, 2013.[15]
In Killeen, Texas, a grand jury indicted Marvin Louis Guy for capital murder after he shot and killed a police detective outside his home during execution of a no-knock warrant on May 9, 2014.[15]
In 2013, Tucson, Arizona agreed to settle claims by the family of Jose Guereña for $3.4 million after SWAT officers fired 71 shots in the seven seconds after their unannounced entry. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooters.[1]
In December 2016, a jury in Corpus Christi, Texas acquitted Ray Rosas of attempted capital murder because it concluded that he was unaware the three home intruders he shot were SWAT officers. Prior to his acquittal, Rosas had spent 664 days in jail.[1]
In 2016, Framingham, Massachusetts agreed to settle claims by the family of Eurie Stamps for $3.75 million after SWAT officers shot the 68-year-old in the back while he was compliant and lying on his stomach. Prosecutors did not file charges against the shooter.[1]
Wow you googled and found what 16 cases over a period of time but how many successful no-knock warrants were executed during the same period of time?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:14 am to pkloa
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The tipping point is when the crime lords (who in truth will still have badass illegal guns) no longer allow the dipshit thugs to carry, since each gun that gets confiscated is another $10k hit to the bottom line.
This is the best thing I've read on here in a long time.
Crime lords? no longer allow thugs to carry? 10 grand per gun? What the frick are you even talking about?
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:16 am to saintsfan225
Any word yet on who the suspects were? The info seems to be dragging out....
Other than knowing they're dead, not much has been said....
Other than knowing they're dead, not much has been said....
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:20 am to Ed Osteen
No civilian needs to own an F-14 double action fully automatic manual assault machine gun. Time to confiscate IMO.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:28 am to Cump11b
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just got on here and people are spouting off retarded shite about gun control and saying stupid shite about firearms... crap pisses me off... stupid "time to start a conversation" political bullshite
Yeah but if its an illegal wont the same political bs on the other side bitch about the wall? The craziness goes both ways.
It should only matter that some animal or animals shot at and tried to kill officers. The race of the assailants should have little bearing on any of this. Also this has nothing to do with gun control.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:33 am to fallguy_1978
More casualties from the idiotic war on drugs.
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:35 am to oleheat
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ny word yet on who the suspects were? The info seems to be dragging out....
Other than knowing they're dead, not much has been said....
Havent heard anything yet. All is know is BeerJeep and pkloa are trying to see who has the biggest dick
This post was edited on 1/29/19 at 9:36 am
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:40 am to El Magnifico
Media briefing will be at 10:00 this morning outside the hospital
Posted on 1/29/19 at 9:43 am to Cump11b
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I can't imagine the Germans raising hell over a fricking pump shotgun.
They did, but it was a publicity/political stunt. They were the ones being called out on doing pretty barbaric things so they used the shotgun plea to make it seem like they weren't the only ones engaging in "less than honorable" tactics.
In reality, the shotgun really wasn't used much at all in the war because the soliders hated them. The reliability was horrible. Paper shells and soaking wet trenches are a really bad combination.
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