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Simple question for the board....Why is lobbying legal?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:18 am
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:18 am
Anytime someone can "donate" capital to influence legislation, in my opinion is a form of bribery. Why is this legal and why haven't we heard any of our leaders (on both sides) speak out against this? I believe one of the reasons why we get so much terrible legislation is solely due to lobbyists influencing it when that should not be the case at all.
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Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:19 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Why is this legal and why haven't we heard any of our leaders (on both sides) speak out against this?
Because the people receiving the money are the one who would need to outlaw it. They're not going to shoot themselves in the foot.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:19 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Simple question for the board....Why is lobbying legal?
Bc the people who make the laws go on to become lobbiest and make a frick ton of cash.
Why would they cut off their own cash cow?
Dammit just late
This post was edited on 1/28/19 at 10:20 am
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:20 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Lobbying isn't all evil. It's what allows organizations to push forth legislation that otherwise would not be heard.
Unfortunately our system allows this to be severely exploited. I agree we need to find a way to revise it to minimize corruption. Unfortunately that requires the very people getting rich off of this to fix the very thing making them rich
Unfortunately our system allows this to be severely exploited. I agree we need to find a way to revise it to minimize corruption. Unfortunately that requires the very people getting rich off of this to fix the very thing making them rich
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:20 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Freedom of Speech?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:21 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
That is a fantastic question. Corporations should never be able to receive protections that individual taxpayers could not. In my opinion, lobbying should be illegal.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:22 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Because everyone wants influence. The old, the unions, the poor, the rich, the small business etc etc.
You cannot outlaw political want nor political contribution.
You cannot outlaw political want nor political contribution.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:22 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
It started off as a legitimate way for a group to air their concerns to the government but it has been perverted way beyond what it was supposed to be.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:22 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Case law requires proof of an explicit quid pro quo I believe, which is damn hard to prove
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:22 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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terrible legislation is solely due to lobbyists influencing it
Lobbyists actually write a lot of our bills these days.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:22 am to Midget Death Squad
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Unfortunately our system allows this to be severely exploited. I agree we need to find a way to revise it to minimize corruption.
How about every candidate that runs for office has to give every speech in front of a giant billboard. The billboard has the logos of everyone who is funding his campaign. The more money we receive, the larger the logo. I seriously doubt this would change our political process one way or the other. But at least we would know exactly who we are voting for. And it would be extremely interesting to see which candidates on both sides of the aisle have the same logos.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:26 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Should we also outlaw salesmen from explaining to businesses why their product would be beneficial to them and their customers?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:27 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Because politicians make the laws and this law benefits them
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:30 am to HoopyD
That’s not why people have a problem with lobbyist and you know it. It’s illegal to take a doctor to dinner or give a plant manager a shotgun (in some instances) but it’s perfectly acceptable for a politician to get these things.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:33 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Is it legal for a doctor to receive money/gifts from pharmaceutical companies?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:35 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Because of the first amendment to the constitution.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:36 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
So you don't think the public should be allowed to have their voices heard by legislators?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:37 am to FredBear
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It started off as a legitimate way for a group to air their concerns to the government but it has been perverted way beyond what it was supposed to be.
This.
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:40 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
When does political advocacy become “lobbying” and thus troublesome to you?
Can an individual approach his representative to advocate or oppose pending legislation? A group of neighbors? A group of local businesses? The local Chamber of Commerce? The State Chamber of Commerce?
Where is the line when participation in the political process would be barred?
Can an individual approach his representative to advocate or oppose pending legislation? A group of neighbors? A group of local businesses? The local Chamber of Commerce? The State Chamber of Commerce?
Where is the line when participation in the political process would be barred?
Posted on 1/28/19 at 10:42 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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Anytime someone can "donate" capital to influence legislation, in my opinion is a form of bribery.
Should I be able to donate to a candidate that supports things I support also? To help him win against candidates that support things I'm against?
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I believe one of the reasons why we get so much terrible legislation is solely due to lobbyists influencing it when that should not be the case at all.
See above. For example. If someone donated to Nancy Pelosi because she opposes the wall, is that undue influence or, is it simply supporting a candidate who shares your views?
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