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Is a cash-out refinance of my home a terrible idea to pay off debt?

Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:43 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:43 am
I have been lucky and my home has appreciated in value nearly $80k in the last 3 years.

I have ~$30k in student loan debt (and light credit card debt of about $5k from recently having a baby, car repairs, and a sick dog, but nothing obscene).

Would an option be to refinance my home and pull cash out from my equity to pay that off? The closing costs would be less than the eventual interest I'd pay off on my debt.

How would it work? This is my first home and I've never refinanced anything before.

Posted by HailToTheChiz
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Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:46 am to
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Is a cash-out refinance of my home a terrible idea to pay off debt?


I think it all depends on how long you plan on staying in the home?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:48 am to
Not too long, its a smaller house and we have a growing family.

But if we just sell the house, I take the money we made from the sale and use some on my debt, wouldn't that be taxed heavier than a refinance to pay off debt?

Or am I misreading?
Posted by AUjim
America
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:49 am to
I wouldnt....

But,
What is the current interest rate on your home?
What is the interest rate on your student loan?
Are you currently having cash flow issues?
Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:53 am to
Are you currently in a 30 or 15 year mortgage and how many years are left?

Is your new rate going to be lower than your current rate?

I did this around five years ago. Cashed out 40k to pay off some high interest debt. I went from a 30 to a 15 year in the process while getting a lower rate and only adding around 300 to my monthly note, so it worked out really well for me.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:56 am to
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What is the current interest rate on your home?


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What is the interest rate on your student loan?



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Are you currently having cash flow issues?


I wouldn't say "issues", but we're certainly having to budget more since the baby and my wife has taken a big step back in pay to spend more time at home.

We're fine, my job is solid and steady pay, and I have a good foundational retirement savings rolling (I'm only 30, but have 7 years of 401k and Roth IRA under my belt already), but I would like to stop debt payments each month if I could. Pre-baby I would've just paid off the $5k in credit card debt at once, but that would be tough now without dipping into savings.




Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133675 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:56 am to
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But if we just sell the house, I take the money we made from the sale and use some on my debt, wouldn't that be taxed heavier than a refinance to pay off debt?
In most cases there is no income tax due on the first $250,000 ($500,000 if married and filing jointly) of PROFIT from the sale of a primary residence.
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It depends on how long you owned and lived in the home before the sale and how much profit you made. If you owned and lived in the place for two of the five years before the sale, then up to $250,000 of profit is tax-free.

If you are married and file a joint return, the tax-free amount doubles to $500,000. The law lets you "exclude" this much otherwise taxable profit from your taxable income. (If you sold for a loss, though, you can't take a deduction for that loss.)

You can use this exclusion every time you sell a primary residence, as long as you owned and lived in it for two of the five years leading up to the sale, and haven't claimed the exclusion on another home in the last two years.

If your profit exceeds the $250,000 or $500,000 limit, the excess is reported as a capital gain on Schedule D.
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Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 11:58 am to
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Are you currently in a 30 or 15 year mortgage and how many years are left?



30...27 left

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Is your new rate going to be lower than your current rate?


My credit is better and I'd have a higher % of equity in the home despite pulling some cash out, but rates are higher than they were 3 years ago. So I'm not sure what it'd be. I'll have to ask a mortgage broker.

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I did this around five years ago. Cashed out 40k to pay off some high interest debt. I went from a 30 to a 15 year in the process while getting a lower rate and only adding around 300 to my monthly note, so it worked out really well for me.


This is the dream scenario I'm thinking of, but I'm just not sure if the rate will be better (or worse).
Posted by castorinho
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:03 pm to
Put a little spreadsheet together. Interest rates will dictate the decision.
Factor in the fact that you'll be leaving the home soon.

Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
59491 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:10 pm to
Yeah, unlike you, I’m in what I consider to be my permanent home. That you’re planning on moving along in the fairly near future would influence the decision. As someone said, though, interest rate would be the biggest factor I’d pay attention to.
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:13 pm to
Your cash-out refi rate is going to be higher than a conventional mortgage rate.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:19 pm to
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Your cash-out refi rate is going to be higher than a conventional mortgage rate.



Interesting.

Maybe I should just hold off until I sell the home in the next couple of years and use the profit then to pay everything off.

I just loathe having debt.
Posted by Fat Bastard
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:21 pm to
unless he gets a HELOC....i guess that won't work maybe not enough equity in house yet??

shite try a unsecured LOC.
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21422 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 12:43 pm to
You can probably get near 4% if you refinance someplace like SoFi. Going this route would prevent you from putting your house at risk for non-secured debts.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 2:59 pm to
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my wife has taken a big step back in pay to spend more time at home


Is this a permanent scale-back she’s done or temporary for just the next few months? I don’t know how much of a cut she’s taken or what your local costs would be for putting the baby in a daycare but I’d be having a serious heart-to-heart with my wife about what we could afford to do.
Posted by Spec1
Lost but making good time
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 3:02 pm to
Check your current rate and what your rate will be if you did this. Rates have gone up!
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 3:15 pm to
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Is this a permanent scale-back she’s done or temporary for just the next few months? I don’t know how much of a cut she’s taken or what your local costs would be for putting the baby in a daycare but I’d be having a serious heart-to-heart with my wife about what we could afford to do.



Its permanent. This was our deal all along. I just finished my MBA, have put in 7 years at my industry leading company to build a resume, and should be able to substantially increase my salary in the next few years so she can be a stay-at-home mom.

We don't have a cash flow issue really and her car (0% interest, so chill) will be paid off in a year so that payment will stop, I'm just sick of paying debts and thought maybe this would be an easy or smart solution. There's no early payment fee on student loans so I was wondering what the downsides were.

Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 1/18/19 at 7:58 pm to
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Its permanent. This was our deal all along. I just finished my MBA, have put in 7 years at my industry leading company to build a resume, and should be able to substantially increase my salary in the next few years so she can be a stay-at-home mom.



Gotcha. Well as long as you’ve got it planned out and under control then .
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
Member since Jan 2007
14572 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 9:31 pm to
Has something changed in student loan debt? It’s unsecured and your family does not have to pay it back. Cannot imagine a situation where I would borrow money against a home to pay student loan debt unless the interest rates are approaching usury levels, which I doubt.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 1/19/19 at 3:40 am to
You can do a cash-out refi, or you can do a HELOC.

When you do a refi you normally have to pay slightly more interest on the entire principal, not just the amount you're cashing out. Plus a HELOC generally costs less in fees.

For those reasons I suggest looking into a HELOC.
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