re: 2015: Finished 10*-3 and the AD attempted to fire the head coach

Look at losses
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3
3
5
3

Average? 10-3


Current # of losses? 3

So if we were declining than what have we been doing since?

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Probably left more talent though. Right?

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More talent than Georgia? Debatable. But in general, Les recruited heavy on DB's and RB's. RB was a bit dry when he left. We were loaded with DB's, I'll give him that.

But Les left a lot to be desired on the O-lines, and D-lines for that matter.

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I'm not saying blame, but he has more experience with the team and more influence with the team than a typical coach in his second year. I'm also considering his retainment of a good chunk of that staff.

A typical new hire coach will probably release more than 70% of a staff, including the two most important positions. O kept over 60%, including one of Coordinator roles.

To me, that makes the "let it play out timeline" different from a typical new hire head coach. He didn't make nearly as many changes.

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I'll give you that.

But I'm just saying, his first partial year, he was simply just cleaning up the year. They were 2-2 and with Les, heading down a disaster of a year. He patched that up pretty well I'd say. But I don't know how much he really accomplished that year knowing that he was only an interim and hadn't been named head coach.

Look, I actually think we agree on more than we disagree.

Would you agree that comparing Coach O, 2.5 year in to his tenure, with Les Miles entire LSU career, is fair? Just because 10-3 and top 10 this year is considered acceptable for a 2.5 year coach, doesn't mean it will be acceptable in his 4th year. Agree?

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And I didn't even bring into the discussion of what Les has done regarding QB recruitment since he started at LSU. To shite the bed every single year, then expect another coach to come in and provide a decent starting QB is tough in 2 years.

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Would you rather be 0-1 vs. Smart with trips to the Championship Game and SEC Champ twice? or 1-0 with literally nothing else to show for it?

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if we were in the east and georgia in the west we would probably have 2 sec east titles is my point...smart is 3-4 vs the west

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That's the scary part about all of this. 3 or 4 more years of o might have us so far down the shitter, it will take years to catch up with some of the other SEC teams.

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As long as Orgeron continues to recruit, this is just a stop-gap at worst.

As long as O gets great assistants, this ship sails smoothly. My fear is that he's getting them Rozy Finch Boyz paid, rather than getting great assistants.

Orgeron may end up failing while setting the next coach up for future success. Of course, if this idiot just hired a decent OC, he might have a shot at winning a NC and sticking around for a while...

19/25 teams in the final BCS poll in 2012 had 2 or less losses. 11/25 have 2 losses this year and we still have bowl games to play.

3 losses will take you farther in some years than others.

Regardless a 10-3 season really isn’t a huge
Improvement from a 10-3 season.

This team wasn’t taking this team wasn’t shitty it was a 10-3 most years before O took it over.

So year 2 why the frick can’t we expect more than 10-3?

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So if we were declining

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13-1 being the first of the 5 year span ending in 8-5 and 9-3 is declining according to everything I have ever been taught...show me a graph that shows us not declining from the start of that span and I will believe you

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19/25 teams in the final BCS poll in 2012 had 2 or less losses. 11/25 have 2 losses this year and we still have bowl games to play.

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aren't rankings a better indicator of how good a season is than wins and losses? I never hear people say "we finished with 2 losses in '02"...it's always we finished top ten or whatever

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road losses by an LSU head coach are acceptable

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I don't think we should've lost at florida or A&M...but I don't think it's a disgrace or something to fire a coach over. We were in both games and his teams have played well on the road outside of the UF game. Outside of Bama every sec team loses road games

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13-1 being the first of the 5 year span ending in 8-5 and 9-3 is declining according to everything I have ever been taught...show me a graph that shows us not declining from the start of that span and I will believe you

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why down vote this? who is the pussy that would down vote something they can't dispute?