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re: 2015: Finished 10*-3 and the AD attempted to fire the head coach
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:09 pm to Sam1
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:09 pm to Sam1
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you look at the talent difference between the 2 teams 2015 vs 2018 you would understand
The only people that thinks this team isnt talented are people trying to remove blame from the coaches.
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Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:10 pm to JohnnyU
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Blown out consecutive weeks by Bama, Ole Miss and Arkansas!!!!
The ole miss game was a 7 point game late in the 3rd quarter.
The arky game was a 10 point game in the 4th quarter.
If thats your definition of blowout. What do you call the miss st loss?
Its as if youre ok with losing 3 as long as some of the losses happen BEFORE BAMA.
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:14 pm to BayouCowboy
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It's just hard to discount that Les had a generational talent on this team and a somewhat competent passing game could have made those teams true contenders.
The teams coached by Les Miles played their hearts out consistently. With their defensive talent and consistent rushing attack, LSU was dangerous to most teams.
A balanced, competent passing attack was all LSU needed. If LSU had Georgia's offense from 2009 - 2015, I'm sure LSU wins the 2011 national championship and quite probably the 2013 national championship, too.
Posted on 12/5/18 at 9:18 pm to RuLSU
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The teams coached by Les Miles played their hearts out consistently. With their defensive talent and consistent rushing attack, LSU was dangerous to most teams.
A balanced, competent passing attack was all LSU needed. If LSU had Georgia's offense from 2009 - 2015, I'm sure LSU wins the 2011 national championship and quite probably the 2013 national championship, too.
I think everyone can agree it was time for new blood at lsu. What we dont agree on is the lowering of the bar and not holding this regime to the same standard we held the last regime too.
Even if someone has a gripe with talent, these coaches have been on staff for a half decade.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 8:58 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Do you follow cfb?
2 teams in all of cfb threw the ball 60%or more this year.
2013 we also had a rb setting the sec single season ypc record.
You name the team in 2013 that could have covered OBJ and Landry? Not in the NFL.
Do you follow cfb?
LSU lead the country in 3rd down conversions that year when everyone knew they had to pass and still couldn't stop them.
Had it not been for being predictable, that offense could have been like 2001. Davey to Reed. Only with 2 Josh Reeds.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:39 am to cj2002
Miles was not fired because of ONE bad year. I am not even sure he was fired because of his record.
Miles was fired because of stubbornness and ego.
It all started in the NC game against Alabama where he REFUSED to try anything at all and insisted in HIS WAY ONLY approach. In the loss, we scored "0". Nothing that he would have attempted would have scored less points, but HE REFUSED to try anything ... OK had it been a regular season, but there was no tomorrow in this case.
Miles preferred to lose than to try anything else.
That loss sealed his future as it became obvious that it was HIS way or none at all.
Name changes were made to the OC personnel, but no change in actual play style.
I believe this was what kept him from coaching until now.
We were not the only ones watching.
Miles was fired because of stubbornness and ego.
It all started in the NC game against Alabama where he REFUSED to try anything at all and insisted in HIS WAY ONLY approach. In the loss, we scored "0". Nothing that he would have attempted would have scored less points, but HE REFUSED to try anything ... OK had it been a regular season, but there was no tomorrow in this case.
Miles preferred to lose than to try anything else.
That loss sealed his future as it became obvious that it was HIS way or none at all.
Name changes were made to the OC personnel, but no change in actual play style.
I believe this was what kept him from coaching until now.
We were not the only ones watching.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:50 am to cj2002
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You name the team in 2013 that could have covered OBJ and Landry? Not in the NFL.
Do you follow cfb?
Again, you wanted Miles to run an offense that air raid offenses dont run in a year where our defense WASNT GOOD.
You dont understand football.
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LSU lead the country in 3rd down conversions that year when everyone knew they had to pass and still couldn't stop them.
Actually our 3rd downs in 2013 were short because our rb was setting the sec single season ypc record.
When youre defense is 34th in opponents yards per play, the last thing you want to do is throw the ball a lot and prolong the game.
Again, if you say you wanted us to throw more, then fine, but when you say you wanted us to throw 60% of the time, you sound like a football ignorant poster.
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Had it not been for being predictable, that offense could have been like 2001. Davey to Reed. Only with 2 Josh Reeds.
2013 had more ppg,more ypg, ypp, better 3rd down conversion%, more 1st downs per game.
You dont follow cfb.
The fact that youre shitting on a better offense tells me all i need to know.
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Had it not been for being predictable,
The 2013 offense was more productive than 2001. My god. Look this shite up before posting.
This post was edited on 12/6/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 12/6/18 at 10:57 am to Rickdaddy4188
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What we dont agree on is the lowering of the bar and not holding this regime to the same standard we held the last regime too
idk why some of you say the bar is lowered and the same standards don't apply...it doesn't make sense to fire a guy after 2 years. We have had 2 different OC's and the HC hasn't shite the bed so until he has 3-4 years he will not be fired.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:03 am to Topwater Trout
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idk why some of you say the bar is lowered and the same standards don't apply...it doesn't make sense to fire a guy after 2 years. We have had 2 different OC's and the HC hasn't shite the bed so until he has 3-4 years he will not be fired.
Ive literally never said fire O. Not a single time. There is a portion of the fanbase( an our clown ad) that is calling this season great after the last coach got fired for seasons just like this.
And i dont see you running around calling O a retard and an idiot like you did with miles. I don't see you saying O has underachieved like you did with miles. So yes youve lowered the bar.
This post was edited on 12/6/18 at 11:06 am
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:17 am to Rickdaddy4188
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And i dont see you running around calling O a retard and an idiot like you did with miles.
he isn't
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I don't see you saying O has underachieved like you did with miles.
he hasn't
He hasn't finished his 2nd year and may win 10 games. Next year is when he should start getting heat. I am not going to melt until a guy has had at least 2 full years of recruiting and/or has done things on the field that have prevented us from winning. losing at UF (sucked because I think we should've won) is not embarassing and neither is losing at A&M...both games we could've won. Bama is on another level form every university except Clemson. His teams have been well coached. I believe that our offense will make great strides next year and EXPECT a top 40 offense. If not i will begin to bitch.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:26 am to Topwater Trout
So 3 losses isnt underachieving at lsu?
And miles was an idiot but ed orgeron isnt?
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And miles was an idiot but ed orgeron isnt?
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Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:26 am to BayouCowboy
“ how so”
The SEC West was a stronger division before than it has been in the last two years. Ark by itself won more conference games in 2015 than Ark and Old Miss won combined in 2018. Ark and Old Miss combined won 18 games in 2015 They are much weaker programs today.
The point shouldn’t be who has done worse, but why, three years after making a coaching change, hasn’t LSU done better?
I’m pretty sure if this forum was asked in 2016 if they would be satisfied, at all, with 9-3, 5-3 in 2018 with a worse O performance , it would have been a resounding no.
The SEC West was a stronger division before than it has been in the last two years. Ark by itself won more conference games in 2015 than Ark and Old Miss won combined in 2018. Ark and Old Miss combined won 18 games in 2015 They are much weaker programs today.
The point shouldn’t be who has done worse, but why, three years after making a coaching change, hasn’t LSU done better?
I’m pretty sure if this forum was asked in 2016 if they would be satisfied, at all, with 9-3, 5-3 in 2018 with a worse O performance , it would have been a resounding no.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:27 am to Topwater Trout
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He hasn't finished his 2nd year and may win 10 game
He lost to 2 1st year coaches with less talent. Bar officially lowered.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:39 am to Topwater Trout
“the bar has been lowered “
“May win 10 games”
You just answered your own question.
May win 10 games wasn’t acceptable at LSU before. Why should it be now unless the bar has been lowered?
“May win 10 games”
You just answered your own question.
May win 10 games wasn’t acceptable at LSU before. Why should it be now unless the bar has been lowered?
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:45 am to Topwater Trout
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I am not going to melt until a guy has had at least 2 full years of recruiting
Jesus Christ. O has been in charge of recruiting for what 5 years now?
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:53 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Jesus Christ. O has been in charge of recruiting for what 5 years now?
so wait was CLM a good recruiter or not?
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:56 am to Rickdaddy4188
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So 3 losses isnt underachieving at lsu?
If we win our bowl game this will be our best season since 2011...agree?
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And miles was an idiot
he still is
Posted on 12/6/18 at 11:57 am to Lonnie4LSU
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Lonnie4LSU
you want to fire a coach after 2 years?
Posted on 12/6/18 at 12:14 pm to lsupride87
O's job is safe.
Steve E looks like he'll be the OC again next season.
If we shite the bed against Bama next season and the offense continues to be crappy throughout the season, I don't see O surviving to coach the 2020 season, unless we win 11 or more games and accept the fact that we don't belong on the same field as Bama.
Steve E looks like he'll be the OC again next season.
If we shite the bed against Bama next season and the offense continues to be crappy throughout the season, I don't see O surviving to coach the 2020 season, unless we win 11 or more games and accept the fact that we don't belong on the same field as Bama.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 12:18 pm to Topwater Trout
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you want to fire a coach after 2 years?
I can't speak for others, but I only want to fire Orgeron for his terrible staff decisions.
The offense is not good enough. LSU's defense / special teams bailed won its share of games -- the Les Miles formula, writ large and worse than Miles ever fielded!
As things stand, the offense will remain in tact. In my opinion, If Dave Aranda leaves, this team is screwed beyond belief.
That is a lot of "ifs," I know. I don't think Orgeron should be fired, but if he fails to fix a glaring weakness and it ends up costing the team next year... yes, he should get the boot.
(I'm still 50/50 that Orgeron doesn't make some kind of offensive change for next year, btw, which nullifies this argument)
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