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re: In retrospect this team probably overachieved

Posted on 11/29/18 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7933 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 12:26 pm to
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Offensively we did move some, probably almost as good as last season's game.


you serious Clark?

2017: 306 yards total offense

2016 & 2018 COMBINED: 321 yards total offense.
Posted by tigertex1992
Houston
Member since Apr 2014
1863 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 12:39 pm to
If I were to tell you about a school spending millions to fire its coach for going 9-3 but two years later declaring the move a success after continuing to get nine wins a year... Would you believe me?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162290 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 12:56 pm to
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was our roster good enough to beat UGA?

think before you answer that one too.

because if you say “yes”, then our roster is also good enough to be no worse than 11-1 (probably in playoffs) and Bama game should have been much closer than it was.

but if you say “no”, then that means it is entirely possible to coach your way past a talent deficiency, and your statement of “you have to have the roster” becomes false.


your move


UGA probably has a roster that is very close to our own roster and perhaps slightly better. The gap between Bama and everyone else is larger than most of us want to believe. They've beaten every team on their schedule by 20+ points. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they do the same to UGA.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7933 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:29 pm to
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UGA probably has a roster that is very close to our own roster


so we DO have a roster that can compete for championships?

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162290 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:31 pm to
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so we DO have a roster that can compete for championships?


We have a roster that can compete for the SEC East championship

And that's all they're winning this year
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:35 pm to
quote:

In retrospect this team probably overachieved



Maybe, but still should not have lost to UF/TAMU. Despite it weaknesses, we should have been 11-1 and in the conversation for the playoffs.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6418 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Loss to Alabama: really, 29-0 by itself isn't a reflection of the game. Offensively we did move some, probably almost as good as last season's game. Couldn't finish any drives, but it was more than all 3-and-outs for us


Two drives of 20+ yards and 9 punts. They had 5 in 2017 with 8 punts. May be like being the skinniest kid at fat camp, but no way they moved the ball better this year than last.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7933 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:55 pm to
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We have a roster that can compete for the SEC East championship


their roster blew out Florida and Auburn

do you think their roster loses against A&M?
do you think their roster gets shut out by Bama?
will they get more than 12 rushing yards against Bama?

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101916 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 1:59 pm to
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their roster blew out Florida and Auburn



And was basically blown out by us. What's your point?

Bunch of goofy attempts at transitive applications, to push goofy narratives.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7933 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 2:13 pm to
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What's your point?


point is the season as a whole, not just “goofy arse transitive property applications”

outside of one game, they’ve had a much better season than we have.

we’ve played enough similar level opponents to be able to reasonably compare.
Florida, Auburn, and in a few days Alabama are common opponents.
Kentucky is at least comparable to A&M or State.

if our rosters are similar (as he suggests), why have they been more successful against roughly equal, if not identical, opponents.

last year they went into OT in national championship game.
this year theyll play a game in December for a chance to be in playoffs.

if they played our schedule, their record is likely still 11-1.
ours is 9-3.

if our rosters are similar, where does the difference come in?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101916 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 2:25 pm to
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where does the difference come in?



They come in the reality that the results of football games do not always perfectly fit the narrative you want them to (or think they should) fit. Things can occur outside that, you realize? But if you find it fun hanging your hat on hypothetical absolutes, go nuts bro.
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7933 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:03 pm to
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They come in the reality that the results of football games do not always perfectly fit the narrative you want them to (or think they should) fit. Things can occur outside that, you realize? But if you find it fun hanging your hat on hypothetical absolutes, go nuts bro.



oh i’m very aware.

my posts are aimed at the people that refuse to admit there are any issues beyond talent.

when in reality, talent is only part of the equation.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162290 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:07 pm to
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their roster blew out Florida and Auburn

do you think their roster loses against A&M?
do you think their roster gets shut out by Bama?
will they get more than 12 rushing yards against Bama?


I think they have a 0% chance of beating Bama

Which proves nothing other than there is a big gap between Bama and everyone else
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
69307 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:08 pm to
People pick us to lose every year. So we overachieved in a lot of Miles' years too if you go off preseason predictions.

Not everyone picked LSU to beat Oregon and Bama in 2011, but that season is seen as a failure.

This post was edited on 11/29/18 at 3:12 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
59433 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:10 pm to
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I think they have a 0% chance of beating Bama


I think a lot of you are going to be surprised by how Georgia performs. I know it messes with your narrative. Now, I don't think they will win, but I hear a lot of LSU fans talking about shut out, etc.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101916 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:14 pm to
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I think a lot of you are going to be surprised by how Georgia performs. I know it messes with your narrative. Now, I don't think they will win, but I hear a lot of LSU fans talking about shut out, etc.



I don't understand this. I suppose you could spin a Georgia win into (or out of) pretty much any narrative you wish. Which seems to me does nothing more than illustrate the inanity of being firmly entrenched into any one in particular.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162290 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:16 pm to
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I think a lot of you are going to be surprised by how Georgia performs. I know it messes with your narrative. Now, I don't think they will win, but I hear a lot of LSU fans talking about shut out, etc.

I don't think it will be a shutout. But there is a reason there is a 13.5 spread in a game in which UGA will be highly motivated and has plenty to play for. Bama is just that much better than everyone other than Clemson
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
27278 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 3:42 pm to
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Lester Earl. The Tiger Rant poster who's better at roster evaluation than the people who are paid to do it. In his spare time no less.

Man, you're a talented guy.


How many players on our offense would start for Texas A&M? I think likely zero, although there are a few toss ups. No guarantees. How many on defense? I think likely 5 or less.

Posted by GodsOfFootball
Crowley
Member since Oct 2018
103 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 5:14 pm to
Agree . Alabama play freshmen every year . Still they clean our clocks .
Posted by GodsOfFootball
Crowley
Member since Oct 2018
103 posts
Posted on 11/29/18 at 5:41 pm to
Would have given you 2 upvotes if I could have . 100% Agree .
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