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re: Playoff good as is? Or need to be expanded?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:23 am to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:23 am to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:I've never argued a non-conference champ should get in the playoff INSTEAD of that conference's champ.
Penn state win the big 10 and got sent to the rose bowl while Ohio state got in the playoffs over them.
Do you think penn state fans would choose a conference championship over a playoff appearance?
My argument is that a non-conference champ can get in IN ADDITION TO that conference's champ.
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Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:37 am to atltiger6487
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I'd take a solemn committee, that actually spends a lot of time and analyzes things with a LOT of data, over the old BCS method any day of the week. It's much like the March Madness committee, which is universally respected for the analysis they put into their selections.
Have seen interviews with 3 committee members over the last couple of years and they all admit that they rely on each other. Yes the BCS was not all computers but allowed for changes. Unless a team loses after being in the top 4 (towards the end of season), they are not changing.
You are obviously not old enough to remember the sports writer and coaches polls determining everything.
66% people is better than 100% people.
Now the politics are just trying to expand viewing audience.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:52 am to atltiger6487
quote:
I've never argued a non-conference champ should get in the playoff INSTEAD of that conference's champ. My argument is that a non-conference champ can get in IN ADDITION TO that conference's champ.
Well with the current system in place there is actual real life evidence of a non champ getting into the playoffs INSTEAD OF the champ.
That’s the system we are working with and it’s broken.
I guess I’d be ok if they changed the rules to say that the only way a non conference champ gets in is if the conference champ also gets in. But I still feel like only certain teams would reap the benefit of that rule change.
But that leads to this scenario:
What if LSU goes 12-0 and meets a 10-2 UGA in the conference championship and loses. All other power 5 champs are either undefeated or only have 1 loss.
Does the SEC get left out? Does LSU get left out? Does UGA get left out?
Requiring teams to win their conference to be eligible for the playoffs is the only way to make every game count.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:57 am to Bert Macklin FBI
I'd also like to state that I have enjoyed this debate.
Everyone brought rational arguments without the name calling and belittlement that usually goes happens on this site.
Everyone brought rational arguments without the name calling and belittlement that usually goes happens on this site.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:58 am to Bert Macklin FBI
agree, Playoffs bogus unless 8.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:02 pm to Courvillicious
The last week of the regular season is generally games with major rivals. Some of those serve as elimination games.
Then the conference championship games are the same.
Every team in the Top 10 has a reason to play right now. Keep winning and you have a chance to get in. Lose, and you're out (for most of them).
4 teams is plenty
Then the conference championship games are the same.
Every team in the Top 10 has a reason to play right now. Keep winning and you have a chance to get in. Lose, and you're out (for most of them).
4 teams is plenty
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:04 pm to Courvillicious
There used to be a 12-week playoff; it was called the regular season. Every game mattered. It is what made college football unique.
With a 4 team playoff, #5 gets left out.
With a 8 team playoff, #9 gets left out.
With a 16 team playoff, #17 gets left out.
4 team playoff watered the regular season down a little, but not so much yet that its ruined college football.
An 8 team playoff, in which LSU can lose two SEC games and have it not really matter and still get into the playoff without breaking a sweat will suck the remaining life out of college football.
With a 4 team playoff, #5 gets left out.
With a 8 team playoff, #9 gets left out.
With a 16 team playoff, #17 gets left out.
4 team playoff watered the regular season down a little, but not so much yet that its ruined college football.
An 8 team playoff, in which LSU can lose two SEC games and have it not really matter and still get into the playoff without breaking a sweat will suck the remaining life out of college football.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:05 pm to Courvillicious
I would love to watch that!
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:09 pm to rotrain
quote:
4 team playoff watered the regular season down a little, but not so much yet that its ruined college football.
An 8 team playoff, in which LSU can lose two SEC games and have it not really matter and still get into the playoff without breaking a sweat will suck the remaining life out of college football.
100% disagree.
A 16 team playoff would make college football twice as exciting as it is now. Teams would want to win season games to get a high seed in the tourney as that would be a huge advantage in a football tournament.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:10 pm to BlackAdam
quote:
It is rare that there are more than 4 legit contenders. , so 4 is fine. Maybe expand to 6 with the top 2 getting a first round bye.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:11 pm to Courvillicious
I've always been for a 6 team playoff with the top 2 seeds getting first round byes.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:15 pm to DaBeerz
quote:+1
im down for 8, but would want neutral fields
Although I’d rather 6 than 8, with the first two rounds at home sites before Christmas. This means each of the top 4 gets one home playoff game, which is more logistically feasible.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:25 pm to TchPowDog
Seeds probably wouldn't be much of an advantage, if any. The real advantage would be the matchup, ie. LSU does not matchup well against teams with stout D.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:56 pm to Courvillicious
I like the concept of a 12 team playoff. Top 4 get byes. 5-12 play week 1. winners play 1-4. Semis the final.
maybe 5 - P5 conference champs
top 3 G5 Conference champs
4 top ranked teams not already in.
maybe 5 - P5 conference champs
top 3 G5 Conference champs
4 top ranked teams not already in.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:25 pm to Courvillicious
If its 8 then the 9th team is screwed.
If its 16 then the 17th team is screwed.
It never will end no matter the number allowed.
4 is fine.
If its 16 then the 17th team is screwed.
It never will end no matter the number allowed.
4 is fine.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:27 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
quote:Look at the NFL playoffs, wildcard teams have won before. You really don't know what can happen. The favorites SHOULD win, but you just don't know.
What he is saying is that we have no prayer at winning the natty even if we were let into an 8 team playoff.
Why have extra teams in the tourney if only 3 or 4 if them have a legit shot at winning?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:46 pm to rbdallas
quote:I'm 54, and I DESPISED the polls, even as a kid, because I knew early on how flawed they were.
You are obviously not old enough to remember the sports writer and coaches polls determining everything.
66% people is better than 100% people.
And the committee relies on a ton of data, so it's not just people sitting around voting, although that's what they do at the end of the day. They use all kinds of metrics, which I'd say are far more relevant than the BCS formula, which I believe was primarily driven by opponents' winning % and the opponent's opponents' winning %. Sometimes margin of victory was included, sometimes not.
I'll take the committee all day long.
ETA: the good news is that once they go to 8 teams, with the Power5 champs getting auto bids, the committee will only decide teams 6-8, which should be more tolerable to most folks.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:48 pm to Courvillicious
quote:
Courvillicious
Nice
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:53 pm to Courvillicious
Expanding to 8 is the correct number. Any more than that waters the playoffs down and would implement a bye week for a few teams.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:54 pm to goatmilker
That’s why I am saying attach 5 positions to conference championships and the other three may be controversial but realistically there aren’t going to be 3 teams a year with real arguments.
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