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Mussolini's tariffs and protectionism became Fascism

Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:57 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:57 pm
People get offended here when nationalism is compared to fascism as if there are no reason such comparisons should be made.

Many equate fascism with Hitler's racism. Those are two different things.

Sheldon Richman writing in "The Concise Encyclopedia of Economics" long before Trump ever came on the political scene said the following:

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The best example of a fascist economy is the regime of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. Holding that liberalism (by which he meant freedom and free markets) had "reached the end of its historical function," Mussolini wrote: "To Fascism the world is not this material world, as it appears on the surface, where Man is an individual separated from all others and left to himself.... Fascism affirms the State as the true reality of the individual."

This collectivism is captured in the word fascism, which comes from the Latin fasces, meaning a bundle of rods with an axe in it. In economics, fascism was seen as a third way between laissez-faire capitalism and communism. Fascist thought acknowledged the roles of private property and the profit motive as legitimate incentives for productivity—provided that they did not conflict with the interests of the state.

Fascism in Italy grew out of two other movements: syndicalism and nationalism. The syndicalists believed that economic life should be governed by groups representing the workers in various industries and crafts. The nationalists, angered by Italy's treatment after World War I, combined the idea of class struggle with that of national struggle. Italy was a proletarian nation, they said, and to win a greater share of the world's wealth, all of Italy's classes must unite. Mussolini was a syndicalist who turned nationalist during World War I.




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From 1922 to 1925, Mussolini's regime pursued a laissez-faire economic policy under the liberal finance minister Alberto De Stefani. De Stefani reduced taxes, regulations, and trade restrictions and allowed businesses to compete with one another. But his opposition to protectionism and business subsidies alienated some industrial leaders, and De Stefani was eventually forced to resign. After Mussolini consolidated his dictatorship in 1925, Italy entered a new phase. Mussolini, like many leaders at this time, believed that economies did not operate constructively without supervision by the government. Foreshadowing events in Nazi Germany, and to some extent in New Deal America, Mussolini began a program of massive deficit spending, public works, and eventually, militarism.


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Beginning in 1929, in preparation for achieving the "glories" of war, the Italian government used protectionist measures to turn the economy toward autarchy, or economic self-sufficiency. The autarchic policies were intensified in the following years because of both the depression and the economic sanctions that other countries imposed on Italy after it invaded Ethiopia. Mussolini decreed that government bureaus must buy only Italian products, and he increased tariffs on all imports in 1931. The sanctions following the invasion of Ethiopia spurred Italy in 1935 to increase tariffs again, stiffen import quotas, and toughen its embargo on industrial goods.


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We have the government agencies already in place to carry out many of Mussolini's policies beyond the protectionism and tariffs Trump has already implemented.

Trump has threatened companies he does not like with the FCC and the DOJ. His favored companies are getting massive government help with tariffs and defense contracts.

Wilbur Ross is taking about imposing import quotas for steel for example. As the price of steel continues to rise there is little question there will louder and louder complaints from Americans. No doubt there will be some wanting price controls.

We are sliding backwards---back into protectionism that Hoover wanted and price controls that FDR wanted. We have a long history of failed price controls even as recently as Carter.

So if you are Trumpkin and are offended when someone is concerned if we are moving toward some hybrid fascism then you probably need to study why someone would have that concern and not just sky stream about "Cucks" and "melts".

I voted for Trump and hope he moves from the current path on trade and protectionism.
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 3:58 pm to
Do you EVER tire of losing?

As a Browns fan I was tired after first year.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134887 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

The autarchic policies were intensified in the following years because of both the depression and the economic sanctions that other countries imposed on Italy after it invaded Ethiopia. Mussolini decreed that government bureaus must buy only Italian products, and he increased tariffs on all imports in 1931.

So this was a nationalist reaction to globalist policy. Gotcha
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27200 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:00 pm to
Good grief, you get dumber with each passing day....
Posted by Shiftyplus1
Regret nothing that made you smile
Member since Oct 2005
13377 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:02 pm to
I love you man. You ALWAYS brighten up my day. Don't you EVER change.
Posted by LoneStarRanger
Texas/Europe
Member since Aug 2018
2404 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:03 pm to
Then please IB Freeman, explain how the American School of Economics (aka National System), and our version of mercantilism and protectionism, was fascist? That was our economic model from 1787-1913. The founders when creating the constitution, wanted a protectionist system. Now please, read up, and report back. Hack
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 4:05 pm
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25395 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:05 pm to
IB Melting
Posted by AUTiger1978
Member since Jan 2018
900 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:07 pm to
So someone talked you down from 'literally Hitler' to 'almost Mussolini.'
Posted by Ag Zwin
Member since Mar 2016
20025 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:10 pm to
I swear. Trump could improve customer service at the post office and it would inevitably lead to a comparison to Mussolini making the trains run on time and be accepted as a fait accompli that we are already a fascist state. Next thing you know, we would be rounding up certain ethnicities and putting them in internment camps.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49037 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:11 pm to
Just go with “Trump is Hitler” like the average sky screamer
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
52920 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:14 pm to
Posted by AlceeFortier
Member since Dec 2016
1795 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:15 pm to
excellent post. the problem is that true trumpkins ONLY believe what he says. they ignore his lies and ignore his condemnation of the constitution. Fear of a brown person taking their jobs has nullufied their rationale brain for an emotional brain. the dems do the same thing. they let others do their thinking. Trump’s path is one of ego gratification. he envisions himself as a mussolini type character without the intellect.
Posted by Jumbo_Gumbo
Denham Springs
Member since Dec 2015
5713 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:22 pm to
I believe you research the web for hours trying to find anything to hang your hat on, to back your agenda on why tariffs and Nationalsim are bad. It’s not healthy what you are doing, and you may need to seek help.
Posted by Stingray
Shreveport
Member since Sep 2007
12421 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:23 pm to
I had a thread on here about "What is Fascism?"

Short Answer: No one agrees/no one knows. It is a list of random national characteristics, not generally agreed upon.
Posted by dr smartass phd
RIP 8/19
Member since Sep 2004
20387 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

Mussolini's tariffs and protectionism became Fascism



So from 1776 to 1913 the U.S. was fascist
Posted by IllegalPete
Front Range
Member since Oct 2017
7182 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:33 pm to
You are not very smart.

And you can label it whatever you want but at the end of the day policies pushed by the left resemble fascism more so than anything Trump has implemented.

Take your doublespeaking arse back to DU or r/politics, nobody here is falling for that shite no matter how many times you repeat it.
Posted by Strannix
District 11
Member since Dec 2012
49037 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:36 pm to
So Trump is Mussolini not Hitler? Hot take
Posted by braindeadboxer
Utopia
Member since Nov 2011
8742 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:38 pm to
quote:

I voted for Trump and hope he moves from the current path on trade and protectionism


He will as soon as the rest of the world quits placing tariffs on us.

We’ve never had free and fair trade. Why should we ship our goods there and face ridiculous barriers to their markets when they can send us their own shite for dirt cheap?

I don’t say this lightly, but you are one stupid motherfricker.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
71001 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:38 pm to
Now trump is Mussolini

Is that worse than being Maoist?

How come leftist bogeymen are NEVER Stalin or mao or Chavez or the anc in South Africa or any of the other hundred leftist tyrants from history?
Posted by LSUvet72
Member since Sep 2013
12139 posts
Posted on 11/11/18 at 4:44 pm to
Melt you Snowflake POS
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