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Going under the knife might be uncertain in the future
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:51 pm
Good read from Intellectual Takeout: LINK
Whether it’s for something as serious as cancer or as routine as a kidney stone, no one likes to hear that they have to go under the surgical knife. But such unhappy news is often lightened once a patient has the chance to talk to the surgeon and realize that he is in good, capable hands.
Unfortunately, those good, capable, surgery-performing hands may be an increasing rarity in the years ahead. According to Roger Kneebone, a London professor of surgical education, the last several years have seen a decided change in the abilities of medical students: they are having greater difficulty working with their hands.
Kneebone goes on to imply that skills learned in shop class, home economics, or other more extra-curricular courses have been thrown out of school with unforeseen consequences:
“We are talking about the ability to do things with your hands, with tools, cutting things out and putting things together … which is really important in order to do the right thing either with operations, or with experiments. You need to understand how hard you can pull things before you do damage to them or how quickly you can do things with them before they change in some way.”
Such skills have often been replaced by virtual reality games and activities performed on screens. These activities, while realistic, are no substitute for actual hands-on experience, explains Kneebone, for real-world experience broadens understanding and spatial awareness.
Whether it’s for something as serious as cancer or as routine as a kidney stone, no one likes to hear that they have to go under the surgical knife. But such unhappy news is often lightened once a patient has the chance to talk to the surgeon and realize that he is in good, capable hands.
Unfortunately, those good, capable, surgery-performing hands may be an increasing rarity in the years ahead. According to Roger Kneebone, a London professor of surgical education, the last several years have seen a decided change in the abilities of medical students: they are having greater difficulty working with their hands.
Kneebone goes on to imply that skills learned in shop class, home economics, or other more extra-curricular courses have been thrown out of school with unforeseen consequences:
“We are talking about the ability to do things with your hands, with tools, cutting things out and putting things together … which is really important in order to do the right thing either with operations, or with experiments. You need to understand how hard you can pull things before you do damage to them or how quickly you can do things with them before they change in some way.”
Such skills have often been replaced by virtual reality games and activities performed on screens. These activities, while realistic, are no substitute for actual hands-on experience, explains Kneebone, for real-world experience broadens understanding and spatial awareness.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:54 pm to anc
The computer will be doing the cutting in the future so we good.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 2:58 pm to anc
Helluva Handle for professor “kneebone” Guarantee he had some good nicknames in school.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:02 pm to anc
I had a conversation with a longtime kindergarten teacher recently. She stated over the last decade or so kids are much more prepared for kindergarten except in one area.... their hands.
Many don’t play with blocks or color nearly as much as they used to. The result is their handwriting, drawing, and overall hand strength and coordination lags behind previous generations.
Many don’t play with blocks or color nearly as much as they used to. The result is their handwriting, drawing, and overall hand strength and coordination lags behind previous generations.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:03 pm to anc
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routine as a kidney stone
Umm.....I currently have one in each kidney. 4th and 5th ones this year. I don't think the word "routine" fits.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:04 pm to anc
A routine appendectomy in the year 2038:


Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:08 pm to Geauxboy
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Umm.....I currently have one in each kidney. 4th and 5th ones this year. I don't think the word "routine" fits
Prayers up. Those evil little dudes are brutal.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:13 pm to anc
This is largely due to the increase in females. I frequently have to teach them how to switch on a simple power tool.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:17 pm to anc
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Kneebone, a London professor of surgical education
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:21 pm to anc
Cell phones, video games, and computers arent helping hand coordination?
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:27 pm to anc
Best of luck. Give us an update when you’re done so we know you made it.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:32 pm to anc
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they are having greater difficulty working with their hands
I think “they” means “she”
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:35 pm to anc
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skills learned in shop class, home economics, or other more extra-curricular courses
I wouldn't want any of my former ag and shop classmates performing delicate procedures on my insides
Posted on 11/1/18 at 3:36 pm to leftovergumbo
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I wouldn't want any of my former ag and shop classmates performing delicate procedures on my insides

Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:05 pm to anc
The future's uncertain and the end is always near.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:09 pm to Kcrad
Im not sure how much I agree with Dr. Elbowtendon here
Having good hands/crafty hands etc, seems to be a skill one is usually born with, similar to being artistic or not.
I love doing things with my hands and working on shite, and grew up doing it with a dad who is an unreal carpenter and can make anything.
And by God do I suck at it
Having good hands/crafty hands etc, seems to be a skill one is usually born with, similar to being artistic or not.
I love doing things with my hands and working on shite, and grew up doing it with a dad who is an unreal carpenter and can make anything.
And by God do I suck at it
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:09 pm to anc
Until some engineering student from Georgia tech comes up with a robot that can cut to the exact point.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:14 pm to el Gaucho
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they are having greater difficulty working with their hands
I think “they” means “she”
Female physicians have lower malpractice rates and lower readmission rates and female surgeons have lower 30-day mortality rates.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:14 pm to Geauxboy
Have they checked the previous stones to see what is causing them? It's usually dietary.
Posted on 11/1/18 at 4:31 pm to Geauxboy
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currently have one in each kidney. 4th and 5th ones this year. I don't think the word "routine" fits.
I used to get them. Then someone told me he heard at chiropractor convention that some people were able to use a concoction of asparagus cooked in regular coca cola original to dissolve them.
Cool and receive it all.
I do 15 minutes. Now, when I feel my kidneys jumping me in the slightest I make a couple of batches. Never fails. 3 or 4 does it for months for me.
I suppose if you are diabetic you can't use original recipe.
The asparagus draws the coca cola into the kidneys. Ever use coca cola to clean bicycle rims?
Good luck.
This post was edited on 11/1/18 at 4:33 pm
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