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re: The definitive list of the top 25 best QBs of ALL TIME, UPDATE: edited after feedback
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:09 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:09 pm to lsupride87
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Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:11 pm to sms151t
quote:Here is where your point fails
should have said different offensive philosophies.
If Brees had more ints and less effeciency while having more yards in the playoffs, your post would make sense
But what offensive philosophy doesn't want more yards, more tds, less ints, more TOP and a higher completion pct?
ETA: The answer is a Les Miles offense
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:11 pm to Draconian Sanctions
I know and no that was not the vaunted 46 as they had to break up in 86/87.
Remember Ryan was already gone and the NFL had caught up to the 46. They were also beat by a team that was quite possibly the 2nd best Niner SB winner behind the 84 team.
Remember Ryan was already gone and the NFL had caught up to the 46. They were also beat by a team that was quite possibly the 2nd best Niner SB winner behind the 84 team.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:14 pm to lsupride87
What? My point does not fail. Teams achieve getting points and yards in variety of fashions. Some run the ball more than others, causing yardage to be down, but victory to be achieved. Some what equal amounts of run/pass. Some want to just go out and throw it a majority, causing more plays to be run. So you are using a bad example.
I mean was the Cincinnati no huddle offense better than the West Coast offense of the Niners? Was the Dallas offense of 93 better than the Cowboys offense?
Yards alone does not tell the story.
I mean was the Cincinnati no huddle offense better than the West Coast offense of the Niners? Was the Dallas offense of 93 better than the Cowboys offense?
Yards alone does not tell the story.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:16 pm to sms151t
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Remember Ryan was already gone and the NFL had caught up to the 46
Fair enough, still impressive
quote:
They were also beat by a team that was quite possibly the 2nd best Niner SB winner behind the 84 team.
88 team was only 10-6 actually. You're thinking of the 89 team that steamrolled the league and then outscored their 3 playoff opponents 121-26. The 88 team probably ranked 4th behind 84, 89, and 94
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:16 pm to sms151t
quote:No it isnt
Some want to just go out and throw it a majority, causing more plays to be run. So you are using a bad example.
Brees isnt just getting more yards man
He is completing a higher pct of passes, getting more touchdowns, getting less ints, and doing it more efficiently as well
That isnt because of philosophy
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:16 pm to lsupride87
Les Miles offense that was in Lion and Rhino with 3 WR and ran and threw the ball? Or the Les Miles offense that went into the I?
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:19 pm to lsupride87
quote:Head to Head, Manning definitely didn't perform but that was against the defense not Brady. Look all these guys are great, it's quite ridiculous to think we have to pick one or rank them but that is how it is done. I would never have a problem choosing Brees, he would be my go to if I had a choice. Brady, Manning, Montana, etc...Are right up there, couldn't go wrong with any of them.
Peyton Manning playoff averages 271.8 yards/game--63.2%---1.48 td/game---0.93 int/game----------87.4 rating compared to who people claim as the best playoff qb Brady 276.4 yards/game---62.8%--1.91 tds/game----0.83ints/game---90.9 rating Not much difference
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:20 pm to DemonKA3268
quote:Agreed
Look all these guys are great, it's quite ridiculous to think we have to pick one or rank them but that is how it is done. I would never have a problem choosing Brees, he would be my go to if I had a choice. Brady, Manning, Montana, etc...Are right up there, couldn't go wrong with any of them
quote:Manning was 3-2 against Brady in the playoffs.....
Head to Head, Manning definitely didn't perform
Dumb comparison, but that was the results
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:20 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Let me get this straight..no Aaron Rodgers or Matt Ryan, & Brees in the top 5??
LMAO
LMAO
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:22 pm to lsupride87
Actually it is but you cant figure it out. So lets take Brees and put him in the Carolina Offense. Do you think his Completion percentage and yards are still the same?
Who had more rushes and less plays? Who had 100 more passes leaving more time to run more plays?
As I stated not all things are equal and different philosophies lead to different results.
Who had more rushes and less plays? Who had 100 more passes leaving more time to run more plays?
As I stated not all things are equal and different philosophies lead to different results.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 3:23 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:23 pm to sms151t
quote:So are you saying Brees will complete a less pct of passes, and throw more ints when he gets more selective with passing?
Who had more rushes and less plays? Who had 100 more passes leaving more time to run more plays?
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:24 pm to lsupride87
No I am saying it is a different philosophy and more downfield throws and less plays. His yards and Ints will be different. But you are going to die on your sword on this so no need to continue engaging because you think all NFL games, situations, and philosophies are the same.
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:26 pm to sms151t
quote:Dude, you arent following at all
His yards and Ints will be different. But you are going to die on your sword on this so no need to continue engaging because you think all NFL games, situations, and philosophies are the same.
When you have more yards, WHILE ALSO HAVING BETTER EFFICIENCY NUMBERS AND LESS INTS, it isnt philosophy or system etc etc
Your post holds water when a guy throws for volume, but also has more turnovers and far less efficiency
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:30 pm to jj06
quote:
Matt Ryan
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:30 pm to lsupride87
quote:I sure was wrong, oops. I forgot about Denver not that it matters. Hell, Manning won the last 3 in a row. I think all around Manning was a better QB than Brady. Once again, both are great. It's like comparing Blondes and Brunettes.
Manning was 3-2 against Brady in the playoffs.....
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:
gun to your head and 1 game to win: you really betting against Joe Cool?
My questions posed was: Who would I pick in an All Time QB Draft for the length of their careers.
1 Game - Joe Cool is a very good choice - Always clutch with the pressure on...
Joe had a few injury years (86 and 91 come to mind)... both times he came back and played well but those factor into my decision.
Over the length of the careers I'm still taking Manning - Sustained Excellence over a long period of time. Brady would be my 2nd choice.
This post was edited on 10/10/18 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 10/10/18 at 3:52 pm to reggo75
quote:
Joe had a few injury years (86 and 91 come to mind)... both times he came back and played well but those factor into my decision.
Ah ha but under modern rules Joe is less likely to get injured as much
Posted on 10/10/18 at 4:06 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:Very true. Would he have been as effective though with the Broncos or other teams with a different offensive scheme? He was perfect for Walsh's.
Ah ha but under modern rules Joe is less likely to get injured as much
Posted on 10/10/18 at 4:11 pm to TH03
quote:You can't really say the only reason to have Brady ahead of these 2 is a team stat when Brady is at worst, on par with both statistically, and certainly arguably more efficient while producing just as much.
Yes.
Peyton was better.
Drew is better.
quote:TD:INT ratio? QB Rating? MUCH lower INT%?
The only thing you can use to put him above those 2 is super bowl wins. Which is a team stat.
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