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re: #9 UCF...Where Are We At With Them Making the Playoffs?
Posted on 10/8/18 at 12:09 pm to LSUBoo
Posted on 10/8/18 at 12:09 pm to LSUBoo
quote:That's spot on. 1-loss non conf champ Clemson might be tricky, because Clemson's schedule might not be that much better than UCF when it's all said and done.
UCF still needs a lot of chaos.
They aren't going in over an undefeated power 5 champ.
They aren't going in over an undefeated Notre Dame.
They aren't going in over a 1-loss SEC champ or runner up.
They aren't going in over a 1-loss Big 10 champ.
They aren't going in over a 1-loss Big 12 champ.
They aren't going in over a 1-loss PAC 10 champ.
They aren't going in over a 1-loss Big 10 runner up if that's Ohio State.
They aren't going in over a 1-loss ACC champ or runner up if that's Clemson or Miami or probably even NC State.
Once you start getting into 2-loss teams though, there's a discussion to be had.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 12:17 pm to castorinho
There's some wiggle room.
If Kentucky were to somehow win out and finish 12-1 and SEC champs (yeah, not going to happen... but if...) would they jump UCF? I think so, if that somehow happened and they added wins over UGA and the SECW champ, but it's not a guarantee.
If Kentucky were to somehow win out and finish 12-1 and SEC champs (yeah, not going to happen... but if...) would they jump UCF? I think so, if that somehow happened and they added wins over UGA and the SECW champ, but it's not a guarantee.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 12:23 pm to castorinho
quote:every ACC team being a little bit better than the corresponding American team adds up over the course of 8 or 9 conference games... plus UCF doesn't have a Texas AM in the nonconference
That's spot on. 1-loss non conf champ Clemson might be tricky, because Clemson's schedule might not be that much better than UCF when it's all said and done.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 12:36 pm to castorinho
Agreed. Great post.
I’m indifferent on conference championships because it doesn’t take into account differences in strength of conference. The SEC has multiple teams that could likely win the Big 12 and PAC 10 this year but might not win the SEC.
I’m indifferent on conference championships because it doesn’t take into account differences in strength of conference. The SEC has multiple teams that could likely win the Big 12 and PAC 10 this year but might not win the SEC.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 12:38 pm to chalmetteowl
I dont expect us to ever get a shot. The committee will probably rank us #17 or so when their rankings kick in.
And being perfectly honest, almost every team we play this year seemingly took a step back from last year. Can't help that. We actually went 4-0 against the overall Top 25 last year, and 8-0 against teams with winning records. No G5 team has done that since 2008 Utah.
We likely won't have that this year. It helps that Cincy and USF are ranked now, though. If all three of us can win out, the laat two weeks of conference play in the AAC East will be fun.
And being perfectly honest, almost every team we play this year seemingly took a step back from last year. Can't help that. We actually went 4-0 against the overall Top 25 last year, and 8-0 against teams with winning records. No G5 team has done that since 2008 Utah.
We likely won't have that this year. It helps that Cincy and USF are ranked now, though. If all three of us can win out, the laat two weeks of conference play in the AAC East will be fun.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 1:00 pm to RogerTempleton
Cincinnati is NOT that good. They are like 8-4 or 9-3 good but not sure that helps.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 1:52 pm to Buckeye Backer
A good way to mitigate the weak schedule is to shuffle the AAC’s divisions every year. There are very few important football rivalries in the conference, so if you just take the top 6 teams and call it the First Division, and the other six, the Second Division, you give your stronger teams stronger schedules and a better argument should they go undefeated. If we took last year’s results and divided the conference this way:
FIRST: UCF Houston Memphis Navy USF SMU
SECOND: Cincinnati Connecticut ECU Temple Tulane Tulsa
Have the AACCG at the First Division champion’s home field, and shuffle the divisions appropriately for next year as well. This way you can avoid UCF weakening their schedule with UConn, ECU, & Tulsa (combined 8-28 last year) if you want.
FIRST: UCF Houston Memphis Navy USF SMU
SECOND: Cincinnati Connecticut ECU Temple Tulane Tulsa
Have the AACCG at the First Division champion’s home field, and shuffle the divisions appropriately for next year as well. This way you can avoid UCF weakening their schedule with UConn, ECU, & Tulsa (combined 8-28 last year) if you want.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 2:16 pm to chalmetteowl
UCF had a home and home scheduled with Texas but they cancelled. Wonder why.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 2:22 pm to Buckeye Backer
frick ucf and frick boise state.
if a team wants a place at the big boy table, then play the big boys.
i remember when the U and fsu got a place at the table. they did it by scheduling hard opponents ont he road. they wanted a piece of the pie and took that shite with force.
usm tried to this before cusa, and they actually did fairly well.
i don't have any respect for ucf. fricking joke.
a few years back, lsu tried to schedule boise state, but bsu wanted a home and home. lol, wtf. just want lsu to lose millions of dollars by traveling to idaho while bsu would make money going to lsu. frick bsu too. fricking pretenders who would play one or two real games a year then cry.
if a team wants a place at the big boy table, then play the big boys.
i remember when the U and fsu got a place at the table. they did it by scheduling hard opponents ont he road. they wanted a piece of the pie and took that shite with force.
usm tried to this before cusa, and they actually did fairly well.
i don't have any respect for ucf. fricking joke.
a few years back, lsu tried to schedule boise state, but bsu wanted a home and home. lol, wtf. just want lsu to lose millions of dollars by traveling to idaho while bsu would make money going to lsu. frick bsu too. fricking pretenders who would play one or two real games a year then cry.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 2:22 pm to floridatigah
quote:not the one they played a few years ago?
UCF had a home and home scheduled with Texas but they cancelled. Wonder why.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 2:34 pm to chalmetteowl
It was part of that series. UCF was originally slated to play at Texas last year but they pushed it back and then cancelled it.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 2:46 pm to floridatigah
UCF’s remaining opponents have a 27-12 record. I realize they aren’t playing the blue bloods if college football, but they aren’t playing the worst schedule in the world either. AGAIN...finishing the season with 3 highly ranked teams will be a HUGE boost for them. UCF is a legit squad and everyone knows it.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 2:56 pm to Buckeye Backer
I'm all for UCF making the playoffs but let's stop hyping Cincy as a legit team. They'll have most likely three losses by the time they play, and will not be ranked. Their win over cincy will do nothing for them
Posted on 10/8/18 at 6:06 pm to RightHook
Nothing is wrong about asking for a home and home with a P5. It's actually a sign of respect if you can get home P5 games.
BSU had three big problems:
1. Academics are not PAC12 standard.
2. The other non conference games outside of one P5 game against an Oregon/OSU team were garbage.
3. The bottom of the MW is "Tulane in CUSA" bad.
Edit: If UCF goes perfect again and doesn't get in, then what is the point of investing in football if you're in the AAC? AAC teams are pouring a lot into trying to be the 6th best (and by some distance), but if this is how it is... ...then let's just be the Big East part 2.
BSU had three big problems:
1. Academics are not PAC12 standard.
2. The other non conference games outside of one P5 game against an Oregon/OSU team were garbage.
3. The bottom of the MW is "Tulane in CUSA" bad.
Edit: If UCF goes perfect again and doesn't get in, then what is the point of investing in football if you're in the AAC? AAC teams are pouring a lot into trying to be the 6th best (and by some distance), but if this is how it is... ...then let's just be the Big East part 2.
This post was edited on 10/8/18 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 10/8/18 at 6:14 pm to elposter
quote:
SEC champ 13-0
Big 10 champ 13-0
ACC champ 13-0
Notre Dame 13-0
That's not happening. The real question is whether or not they get in over 1 loss P5 champions if they're unbeaten.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 6:29 pm to Buckeye Backer
It would take a year like 2007 for a team from a non Power 5 to ever make the CFB Playoff.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 7:15 pm to Arkansasrazorback
quote:
The real question is whether or not they get in over 1 loss P5 champions if they're unbeaten.
The answer to that is unequivocally "no". It's not even close. UCF *might* get in over a 2-loss ACC or PAC-12 champion. That's about as good as it gets for them.
Short of something insane like the 2007 season happening, UCF can enjoy going to a NY6 bowl and play some P5 team that doesn't give a shite about being there after missing out on the CFP.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 7:38 pm to RightHook
quote:
i remember when the U and fsu got a place at the table. they did it by scheduling hard opponents ont he road. they wanted a piece of the pie and took that shite with force.
They were independents until the 90s. Having to fill an entire schedule on your own affords more opportunities to play tough opponents.
quote:
a few years back, lsu tried to schedule boise state, but bsu wanted a home and home. lol, wtf. just want lsu to lose millions of dollars by traveling to idaho while bsu would make money going to lsu. frick bsu too. fricking pretenders who would play one or two real games a year then cry.
So when a legit G5 program does try to schedule a tougher opponent, you have a problem with that, too?
Both Boise and UCF have won multiple BCS/NY6 bowls more recently than LSU. They don't have to cater to anybody if they don't want to.
Posted on 10/8/18 at 7:40 pm to Buckeye Backer
Alabama/Georgia
Clemson
Ohio State
Notre Dame
All of those teams are undefeated and none of htem would be left out for UCF.
UCF still needs chaos.
Clemson
Ohio State
Notre Dame
All of those teams are undefeated and none of htem would be left out for UCF.
UCF still needs chaos.
Posted on 10/9/18 at 1:23 am to oliveandblue
stop thinking we're going to get a home and home with big name programs.
they lose too much money.
become road warriors and try to get a place at the table.
they lose too much money.
become road warriors and try to get a place at the table.
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