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An honest question regarding the reality of this Kavanaugh situation
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:38 pm
In America:
Prosecution has the burdon of proof
You cannot be a witness against yourself
You have the right to face your accuser
You have the right to competent council
I could argue all 4 of those are being attacked and completely disregarded by the Progressives pushing this agenda.
It is absolutely insane to accuse someone of a crime, refuse to fully state what they are accused of, refuse to show up to confront the accused, refuse to allow the accused his chosen council, demand that the accused describe the situation himself as witness, demand the accused be questioned on the accusers schedule, and refuse to put on a case until after thr accused has testified on his own behalf.
That is what is happening here on a micro level and it is absolutely insane. It is not a criminal trial, which is why I did not cite amendments, but it is not unreasonable to see the same people supporting this situation supporting similar criminal trials, so the point stands as valid to me.
On a macro level, the congress of the United States is refusing to do its job for solely political reasons citing political opposition to its duties, and then is demanding that the executive branch over step its bounties and directly undermine checks and balances in vetting a Supreme Court Justice, while simultaneously demanding and openly supporting the lower levels of the executive branch practicing complete insurection and disobedience to the president.
Can someone on this board explain to me logically and rationally:
1 - why I am wrong
Or in the alternative
2 - why you support and condone the above.
Prosecution has the burdon of proof
You cannot be a witness against yourself
You have the right to face your accuser
You have the right to competent council
I could argue all 4 of those are being attacked and completely disregarded by the Progressives pushing this agenda.
It is absolutely insane to accuse someone of a crime, refuse to fully state what they are accused of, refuse to show up to confront the accused, refuse to allow the accused his chosen council, demand that the accused describe the situation himself as witness, demand the accused be questioned on the accusers schedule, and refuse to put on a case until after thr accused has testified on his own behalf.
That is what is happening here on a micro level and it is absolutely insane. It is not a criminal trial, which is why I did not cite amendments, but it is not unreasonable to see the same people supporting this situation supporting similar criminal trials, so the point stands as valid to me.
On a macro level, the congress of the United States is refusing to do its job for solely political reasons citing political opposition to its duties, and then is demanding that the executive branch over step its bounties and directly undermine checks and balances in vetting a Supreme Court Justice, while simultaneously demanding and openly supporting the lower levels of the executive branch practicing complete insurection and disobedience to the president.
Can someone on this board explain to me logically and rationally:
1 - why I am wrong
Or in the alternative
2 - why you support and condone the above.
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 12:39 pm
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Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:41 pm to Nguyener
You're not wrong but you have first accept the fact that Democrats are passionate about their beliefs and will do pretty anything to "win"
In their minds, they are on the right side of history to a point of doing the Lord's will...
that's how strongly they "feel" about their agenda...
anyone disagreeing with them just hasn't been blessed with the holy spirit of Liberalism.
It can not be understood
In their minds, they are on the right side of history to a point of doing the Lord's will...
that's how strongly they "feel" about their agenda...
anyone disagreeing with them just hasn't been blessed with the holy spirit of Liberalism.
It can not be understood
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:44 pm to Nguyener
You can't be forced to be a witness against yourself. Important distinction. Other than that, looks good.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:45 pm to Nguyener
A sitting US Senator on National Television said that Kavanaugh was a rapist as proven by the fact that she didn’t believe his answer to the question of how he would rule on Rape v. Wade.
Democrats cannot honestly answer any question on this topic.
Democrats cannot honestly answer any question on this topic.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:46 pm to Nguyener
#wudntme
I hope it starts trending.
We live in crazy times. Conservatives are under attack and this should concern everyone
I hope it starts trending.
We live in crazy times. Conservatives are under attack and this should concern everyone
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:46 pm to ApexTiger
It just seems to me that in the past even when congress was fighting for purely political reasons they had the decency to put on a bullshite facade and argue that it was for some cause.
But that facade seems to have disappeared in the last two years. And as funny as it sounds, that facade is what made American politics work. Dropping that facade and instead turning to a full embrace of identity politics coupled with complete white VS black; good VS evil view of political parties is a one way road to civil war.
And I am starting to fear that we are traveling down that road too far and too quickly to stop once we all realize it. And what is worse is that we may be traveling there completely on purpose by a pack of wolves leading the sheep to slaughter.
But that facade seems to have disappeared in the last two years. And as funny as it sounds, that facade is what made American politics work. Dropping that facade and instead turning to a full embrace of identity politics coupled with complete white VS black; good VS evil view of political parties is a one way road to civil war.
And I am starting to fear that we are traveling down that road too far and too quickly to stop once we all realize it. And what is worse is that we may be traveling there completely on purpose by a pack of wolves leading the sheep to slaughter.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:47 pm to Nguyener
This isn't a trial, it's a job interview.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:47 pm to ApexTiger
quote:
You're not wrong but you have first accept the fact that ________ (insert literally any religious, political, or sports affiliation here) are passionate about their beliefs and will do pretty anything to "win"
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:48 pm to Nguyener
Conservatives are constrained by The Constitution. It is the field of play. We stay within it's borders as a matter of principle and as a statement of personal and societal virtue. Progressivism on the other hand is constrained only by whatever emotion it happens to feel at any particular moment. When it's hungry it eats, when it wants to destroy, it destroys, when it's angry it kills.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:50 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
This isn't a trial, it's a job interview
1. Already in my OP, that you clearly did not read, on that point:
quote:
It is not a criminal trial, which is why I did not cite amendments, but it is not unreasonable to see the same people supporting this situation supporting similar criminal trials, so the point stands as valid to me.
2. It is quite a bit more than a job interview. It is the federal government choosing a member of one of its branches. One of the few seats in our federal government not chosen by the people, and as such, should be given much more respect than any old job interview.
And the entire second part about congress demanding that the executive branch unconstitutionally do its job for them while demanding that the executive branch practice direct insubordination to the freely elected president has nothing to do with if this is a trail or not.
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:56 pm to Wednesday
quote:
A sitting US Senator on National Television said that Kavanaugh was a rapist as proven by the fact that she didn’t believe his answer to the question of how he would rule on Rape v. Wade.
Democrats cannot honestly answer any question on this topic.
I saw that. Even the CNN cuck was stunned with that answer. Sad. Hawaii must be full of dummies to vote complete idiots into office like her.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:56 pm to Nguyener
If this were a criminal trial, your analysis would be spot on. It's a confirmation hearing, though, so the same rules of a trial don't apply. That's not to say that he shouldn't be presumed innocent of attempted rape but he is not on trial so the same presumption nor same burden of proof doesn't apply.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:56 pm to Nguyener
I'm also not aware of a situation where the plaintiff dictates the scheduling, location, and format of a hearing.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 12:59 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
This isn't a trial, it's a job interview
It’s not, Tex.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:00 pm to Boy_of_wonder75
quote:
attempted rape
A 17 year old kid is being accused of copping a feel. Slow it the frick down, lady.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:01 pm to Boy_of_wonder75
quote:
That's not to say that he shouldn't be presumed innocent of attempted rape but he is not on trial so the same presumption nor same burden of proof doesn't apply.
This is correct.
However, it doesn’t mean that the general principles of justice don’t apply. There has to be some burden of proof on the accuser. And there has to be a sane way for the accused to defend himself.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:02 pm to BamaAtl
quote:
This isn't a trial, it's a job interview.
Then why does this woman have a legal team?
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:03 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:
A 17 year old kid is being accused of copping a feel. Slow it the frick down, lady.
If it’s really an attempted rape, Christine Blasey should take a trip over to Maryland while she’s there and file a report.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:03 pm to Vacherie Saint
quote:
I'm also not aware of a situation where the plaintiff dictates the scheduling, location, and format of a hearing.
You must have no familiarity with the civil court system. The plaintiff selects the court, the venue, the timing of the filing, and can move the hearing and trial pace at their selection. Try again.
Posted on 9/23/18 at 1:03 pm to Nguyener
quote:All conservatives are guilty of something. By default.
1 - why I am wrong
This post was edited on 9/23/18 at 1:04 pm
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