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Wyoming hunting guide fatally mauled by grizzly bears
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 12:37 pm
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A Wyoming hunting guide was fatally mauled and his client was injured when a pair of grizzly bears attacked them Friday, officials said.
Authorities later euthanized two grizzly bears, a mother and a cub, who wildlife managers believe killed guide Mark Uptain and wounded his client Corey Chubon near the Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks border, according to USA Today.
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“All available evidence indicates that these two bears were the bears involved in the Terrace Mountain attack,” Wyoming Game and Fish Department spokeswoman Rebekah Fitzgerald said in a statement Sunday.
Uptan and Chubon were attacked by bears as they field dressed the elk they had shot Thursday but were only able to find Friday, officials said. The bears “aggressively charged” the men and didn’t touch the dead elk, Teton County officials said.
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:05 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Saw that this weekend. Sad stuff. Not enough details. I would think any montana guide wouldve had a cannon on his hip but maybe they were surprised.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:21 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Uptan and Chubon were attacked by bears as they field dressed the elk they had shot Thursday but were only able to find Friday, officials said.
This is a confusing sentence. Shot the elk on Thursday, were unable to find it Friday, but were able to field dress it?
Says the attack happened Friday as well.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:22 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Shot the elk thursday, found it and had field dressed it Friday
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:48 pm to Lord_Ford
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Shot the elk thursday, found it and attempted to field dress it Friday
Posted on 9/17/18 at 1:50 pm to Lord_Ford
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Shot the elk thursday, found it and had field dressed it Friday
Holy shite! I completely misread that sentence. Ha. Saw it as "unable to find it Friday."
My fault. I downvoted myself for that one.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:01 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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Authorities later euthanized two grizzly bears, a mother and a cub, who wildlife managers believe killed guide Mark Uptain and wounded his client Corey Chubon near the Yellowstone and Grand Teton National Parks border, according to USA Today.
this is some serious bullshite...
1) guide and client shoot an elk, and leave it out the field
2) a mother griz and cub find it, and rightly claim it
3) guide and client arrive at the kill, and get grizzed as the bears defend their kill
sorry/not sorry...
you do not approach a dead animal on the ground in grizzly country, especially if its been there a while. killing the bears for being bears isnt bringing back the guide who fricked up
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:13 pm to cgrand
more idiocy, from the article
no shite, sherlock...they are fricking grizzly bears, they put the "apex" in "apex predator". want to stay safe from grizzly bears?....dont crawl up to a dead elk on the ground in the fricking wilderness
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“I can only imagine how horrific this was,” Sy Gilliland, a hunting guide and spokesman for grizzly hunters in the area, told the newspaper. “You've got a bear population that's basically un-hunted, is an apex predator, and has no fear of humans.”
no shite, sherlock...they are fricking grizzly bears, they put the "apex" in "apex predator". want to stay safe from grizzly bears?....dont crawl up to a dead elk on the ground in the fricking wilderness
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:16 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
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A Wyoming hunting guide was fatally mauled
Dang. Bet he won't do that again.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:16 pm to cgrand
Thats not the way I read it.
They shot the Elk and couldn't find it.
Came out the next day and found the elk.
They were field dressing it and got snuck by mama bear.
Not taking the elk out when shot happens up there, its not like its anything new.
It happens. Its hard to field dress an elk at night and then pack it out after being out all day.
I do agree with this, but Im not grizzly expert so it probably has something to do with them attacking again.
They shot the Elk and couldn't find it.
Came out the next day and found the elk.
They were field dressing it and got snuck by mama bear.
Not taking the elk out when shot happens up there, its not like its anything new.
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you do not approach a dead animal on the ground in grizzly country, especially if its been there a while.
It happens. Its hard to field dress an elk at night and then pack it out after being out all day.
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killing the bears for being bears isnt bringing back the guide who fricked up
I do agree with this, but Im not grizzly expert so it probably has something to do with them attacking again.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:18 pm to cgrand
We did the same thing last yr in MT.
Went back the next morning. Guide field dressed while me and another had shotgun and pistols in hand. Along with bear spray.
I would think that they would have had a pistol on them and would have been on high alert.
Prayers for all involved
Went back the next morning. Guide field dressed while me and another had shotgun and pistols in hand. Along with bear spray.
I would think that they would have had a pistol on them and would have been on high alert.
Prayers for all involved
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:30 pm to kengel2
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They shot the Elk and couldn't find it.
Came out the next day and found the elk.
They were field dressing it and got snuck by mama bear.
whats the difference whether they left it on the ground overnight on purpose or not? the end result is the same
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Not taking the elk out when shot happens up there, its not like its anything new.
no question...that doesnt remove the danger of getting a grizzly greeting when you do get there, nor does it mean the bears did anything "wrong"
as for the bears attacking again or getting a "taste for blood" that would apply if the bears stalked the guide in an area outside their feeding grounds (a camp, or similar). they were defending a kill on the ground, and would have attacked any other animal who approached it
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:34 pm to cgrand
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2) a mother griz and cub find it, and rightly claim it
3) guide and client arrive at the kill, and get grizzed as the bears defend their kill
These are assumptions you are making, and they don't seem correct.
I read it as they shot the elk thursday evening and didn't find it to feild dress it that night, which i don't blame him. I just got back from an elk hunt and i have to be honest, i had no intention of killing an elk at 8PM. I sure as shite wasn't going to feild dress it at night, then pack out the small portion of meat i could carry the 6 miles back to the truck in the dark covered in blood, and then go back and do that trek covered in blood 4 or 5 times, in the dark. frick That!
It was creeepy enough walking the trails in the early morning and night in the dark when i wasn't covered in blood.
Anyways, they find it Friday morning and start field dressing it and are attacked unknowingly by the bears, is how i read it, not that they made the bears leave the kill and were attacked either in the process or later on. Pretty sure a hunting guide in Montana isn't that stupid. no one walks up to a bear at a kill and says "frick you bear, that's my elk" and attempts to steal the dead animal from the bear.
The thing that stands out to me in the short uninformative article is this:
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The bears “aggressively charged” the men and didn’t touch the dead elk, Teton County officials said.
This seems very odd to me
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:36 pm to cgrand
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sorry/not sorry...
you do not approach a dead animal on the ground in grizzly country, especially if its been there a while. killing the bears for being bears isnt bringing back the guide who fricked up
Was this guide new here?
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:39 pm to rattlebucket
There is a great deal more information on the Jackson Hole News and Guide website. JHN&G
There are several interesting articles about it, as well as comments from the locals; some of whom "question" the story told by the other man who was with him.
This is the link to just one of the stories. Click on the news section and there are several more.
There are several interesting articles about it, as well as comments from the locals; some of whom "question" the story told by the other man who was with him.
This is the link to just one of the stories. Click on the news section and there are several more.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:57 pm to TigerAlum1982
This is an interview with the guy that survived LINK
doesn't really add up to what he said to the people in Wyoming. Something is a bit fishy here.
doesn't really add up to what he said to the people in Wyoming. Something is a bit fishy here.
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Chubon and the guide, who the Associated Press reports was 37-year-old Mark Uptain, went to the woods in Jackson, Wyoming, to retrieve an elk that they had killed the day before. Chubon's father, who was on the trip but did not go with the two to get the animal, said he was told the two men were pulling the elk's carcass out of the woods on horseback when two bears attacked. Chubon was grabbed by the ankles and tossed off of his horse, his father said. Chubon was able to point a pistol at the bear, but the animal knocked it out of his hands. Uptain was grabbed by the same bear and dragged into the woods; The AP reports that his body was found Saturday. "We heard rocks stumble and out of nowhere two grizzly bears just started charging at us," Chubon said. Chubon said he threw his pistol to Uptain. The paper reports that officials have not been able to find the gun. "He swung me around in the air and at that point in time I tried to throw the gun to Mark and the gun didn't make it there," Chubon said. Once Chubon was able to escape the bear, he climbed back onto his horse and rode to the top of a nearby mountain in order to get cell service. According to his father, it took a helicopter two hours to reach Chubon before he was airlifted to a nearby hospital.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 2:59 pm
Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:57 pm to TigerAlum1982
The sport threw his pistol to the guide that was being mauled. Hey man, can you throw me your pistol why the this 10 ft grizzly is swinging me around like a rag doll. WTF. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Your in bear territory, you are in their domain. They are meat eaters. Something sounds grizzly about this whole story.
Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:01 pm to jakedel12
Serious question: how do you defend yourself from prosecution in the situation a grizz walks up on you and you kill it? What’s the likelihood, even in a legit case, that you’ll be incriminated?
Posted on 9/17/18 at 3:04 pm to jimbeam
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Serious question: how do you defend yourself from prosecution in the situation a grizz walks up on you and you kill it? What’s the likelihood, even in a legit case, that you’ll be incriminated?
If you shoot a grizzly, you better kill it, and then you better grab it's big arse paw and you need to do some damage to yourself with it, and you might not go to jail.
in all honesty, i don't know. I would imagine when they find the dead grizzly, it would need to have some gunshot wounds that they can tell were from very very short range for you to not get prosecuted for something.
All that being said, i'd rather have to pay a fine or go to jail for a short time, then die.
Sometimes there's just no way around it. Make noise, stand your ground, spray it with bear spray, and if all that fails, you have to shoot it, unless you are ok with dying.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 3:06 pm
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