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re: Wyoming hunting guide fatally mauled by grizzly bears
Posted on 9/20/18 at 3:52 pm to X123F45
Posted on 9/20/18 at 3:52 pm to X123F45
if a round is chambered.
and even if one was, he could have re-chambered a round and rode the slide, jamming a round
i'd like to think that i wouldnt leave my partner and run for the hills if he was still alive...
and even if one was, he could have re-chambered a round and rode the slide, jamming a round
i'd like to think that i wouldnt leave my partner and run for the hills if he was still alive...
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Posted on 9/20/18 at 4:21 pm to X123F45
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Anyone else take issue with this?
Even the most ardent 1911 supporter must admit... Glocks nearly always go bang when the trigger is pukoed.
It was in a pack, so it may not have had a round chambered, and the client just panicked and started pulling the trigger, then chunked it at the guide. (ETA: this was bad-just trying to understand it all.)
But yeah-I think everyone agrees that Glocks go bang.
The worst part about all of it is the timeline (from the article), which indicates plenty of time for the client to have shot the grizzly:
1. Initial charge and attack on guide.
2. Client gets pistol and fumbles with it before throwing it at the guide.
3. Grizzly turns his attention to the client who gets attacked.
4. Guide crawls, walks or runs 50 yards.
5. Bear turns his attention back to the guide, who is 50 yards away.
6. Client rides off while the grizzly goes back after the guide.
7. Guide uses bear spray on the grizzly and it doesn't work.
8. Grizzly kills the guide.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 9/20/18 at 4:25 pm to DownSouthJukin
This is just bullshite.
A dude is dying and you have a gun, you do your best.
And your best is never throwing the gun and running away.
Have I ever been charged by a grizzly? No. Have I had a mama gator charge me and some friends when young and dumb catching babies? Yes. You don't bitch out. It ain't right.
A dude is dying and you have a gun, you do your best.
And your best is never throwing the gun and running away.
Have I ever been charged by a grizzly? No. Have I had a mama gator charge me and some friends when young and dumb catching babies? Yes. You don't bitch out. It ain't right.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 4:58 pm to X123F45
I agree. I was just trying to think of why the client didn't unload on the grizzly when the timeline suggests he had the opportunity to do it. Even if it meant chambering a round or clearing a jammed round.
Like you said-it's a Glock. It generally always goes bang.
Like you said-it's a Glock. It generally always goes bang.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 9/20/18 at 5:47 pm to DownSouthJukin
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I agree. I was just trying to think of why the client didn't unload on the grizzly when the timeline suggests he had the opportunity to do it. Even if it meant chambering a round or clearing a jammed round.
For those that have not experienced it first hand, it is hard to describe how much your ability to perform a simple task can degrade when accompanied by the stress of knowing you have only a couple of seconds to make a decision and take action, or you will likely die.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 5:55 pm to EA6B
Agreed. But you don't throw the gun and run away.
That's just.... Damn
That's just.... Damn
Posted on 9/20/18 at 6:01 pm to EA6B
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For those that have not experienced it first hand, it is hard to describe how much your ability to perform a simple task can degrade when accompanied by the stress of knowing you have only a couple of seconds to make a decision and take action, or you will likely die.
No doubt. But I would think that dealing with a bear is something you would prepare for before going hunting if you were in an area where carrying bear spray was common. Even if it's as simple as having a game plan between you and whoever you're with. Just like carrying concealed. If an event arises, you should be trained to deal with it, or at least have run the scenario through your head a few times.
Also, if you've spent enough time in the woods, you have no doubt had some dangerous situations, whether it be from wild dogs, poachers, hogs, etc., and know that losing your head will get you or someone else injured or killed quicker than anything.
I won't armchair quarterback this thing anymore than I already have. Just trying to gain some perspective on it, as it is something that could happen to any of us if we hunt in grizzly country. It is just another terrible lesson in preparedness for us.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:29 pm to DownSouthJukin
Good friend had killed a moose on a back country hunt in British Columbia. Friend was going to help the guide with cleaning the animal. Instead, the guide posted friend up on a small ridge above him with his rifle at the ready. He protected the guide from bears while he cleaned the moose. Seems like a good idea.
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:44 pm to EA6B
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For those that have not experienced it first hand, it is hard to describe how much your ability to perform a simple task can degrade when accompanied by the stress of knowing you have only a couple of seconds to make a decision and take action, or you will likely die.
I’d agree with all this except the action of throwing the gun
Freezing up not getting a shot off? Sure
Gun jamming and bring incapable of in jamming it? Sure
Gun not being loaded and fumbling around without getting it loaded? Sure
But just throwing the gun at the guide? How does that thought enter the mind? At times like these the mind is reduced down to very simple thoughts such as run away or fight (fight or flight). If you had a gun within reach and were able to get that gun into your hands, presumably a loaded gun, your decision would probably be reduced to try to shoot the bear or run. None of us know what happened out there exactly and probably never will so it’s simply speculation but I don’t see where the idea of “take the loaded gun I could shoot the bear with and throw it at the guide who is currently being attacked” would come from
Posted on 9/20/18 at 7:56 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Couple of guys I know were attacked two years ago, one was seriously injured. The other killed the bear while it was on top of Josh who got mauled
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Charges are very common. Maulings happen frequently too, deaths are just somewhat rare. I talked to an old hunter who said the get bluff charges every year moose hunting.
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There have been numerous bear maulings in Southeast Alaska in recent months, including a Kentucky hunter attacked less than two weeks ago by a brown bear while hunting with a guide on Admiralty Island, east of Chichagof Island.
Charges are very common. Maulings happen frequently too, deaths are just somewhat rare. I talked to an old hunter who said the get bluff charges every year moose hunting.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 9/20/18 at 8:08 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Admiralty Island
the densest population of brown bears in the world, like one bear per square mile.
there’s “bear country” and then there’s “bear certainty”
Posted on 9/20/18 at 8:17 pm to cgrand
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the densest population of brown bears in the world, like one bear per square mile.
there’s “bear country” and then there’s “bear certainty”
Admiralty, Baranof and Chichagoff. All three have extremely dense populations of monster brown bear.
The ABC bears are unique and are also related to polar bears
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This subspecies of brown bear retains all of the physical attributes and behavior associated with the brown bear, however, they do carry mitochondrial DNA that shows a match closer to polar bears than brown bears.[
Admiralty is just 3 miles from Douglas Island where I live
Posted on 9/20/18 at 9:18 pm to RogerTheShrubber
If I'm in bear country, give me a SW or Ruger revolver every time, instead of a semi-auto.
This post was edited on 9/20/18 at 9:22 pm
Posted on 9/21/18 at 8:54 am to X123F45
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This is just bullshite.
A dude is dying and you have a gun, you do your best.
I agree with you... However if I remember correctly, both the guide and the hunter were on horseback initially so I would assume that when the Guide got pulled/thrown off his horse the Hunter was probably preoccupied with not getting thrown off his...
Posted on 9/21/18 at 9:52 am to klrstix
the part i don't understand is why the gun was in the pack and not in a holster. IT was supposedly a few yards away from the guide in his pack while he was cleaning the elk.
I can understand that at certain junctions during the trip, but once you've killed something, and your full of blood, you need to be on high alert. a gun in your pack isn't much help if it takes you 5 seconds to get it.
Hell on our recent trip we didn't see any bears, and not a lot of poop either. But one day we were walking a game trail and saw a ton of bear poop one after another. Both of us got a bit concerned. Guns were in one hand, bear spray in the other for quite some time after seeing that.
I can understand that at certain junctions during the trip, but once you've killed something, and your full of blood, you need to be on high alert. a gun in your pack isn't much help if it takes you 5 seconds to get it.
Hell on our recent trip we didn't see any bears, and not a lot of poop either. But one day we were walking a game trail and saw a ton of bear poop one after another. Both of us got a bit concerned. Guns were in one hand, bear spray in the other for quite some time after seeing that.
This post was edited on 9/21/18 at 10:00 am
Posted on 9/21/18 at 10:03 am to TeddyPadillac
It’s hard to blame anyone for sure here. But I’m surprised there was only 2 of them and as said one wasn’t posted up with a shotgun or rifle. But I don’t know the rules in Wyoming during bow season.
That area is just south of Yellowstone NP and one of the largest concentrations of grizzly’s in the lower 48. On a week long elk hunt I’d bet it’s close to a guarantee to see a grizzly. Having an injured or dead elk down overnight in that area is an incredibly high risk for a bear encounter.
I’m guessing there simply wasn’t a round chambered and that the client in the heat of the moment stress couldn’t get a round chambered.
That area is just south of Yellowstone NP and one of the largest concentrations of grizzly’s in the lower 48. On a week long elk hunt I’d bet it’s close to a guarantee to see a grizzly. Having an injured or dead elk down overnight in that area is an incredibly high risk for a bear encounter.
I’m guessing there simply wasn’t a round chambered and that the client in the heat of the moment stress couldn’t get a round chambered.
Posted on 9/21/18 at 11:05 am to baldona
The Seals say that one doesn’t rise to the occasion, but sinks to the level of their training. Extreme stress does strange things to people.
Posted on 9/22/18 at 8:58 am to 257WBY
Apparently, the pistol wasnt loaded according to this guy that looks like some sort of LEO.
Longrangehunting
Longrangehunting
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Just found out a couple hrs. ago the gun they had was an empty 9mm ! Not good !
Posted on 9/22/18 at 9:03 am to kengel2
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Apparently, the pistol wasnt loaded
FFS people, just carry a brick then.
Posted on 9/22/18 at 9:45 am to Ace Midnight
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Apparently, the pistol wasnt loaded
FFS people, just carry a brick then.
I don’t understand unloaded carrying.
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