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re: Dear Perps......the situation has changed......you may want to reevaluate life decisions

Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:49 am to
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:49 am to
quote:

a civilian charging into a burning building when firefighters have already responded.


What if they civilian helps save someone?
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:50 am to
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This must be Fake News. Chicago has gun free zone signage up. This obviously wont happen due to the signs.
Did not happen in Chicago.


Kudos to the Cicero citizen who assisted the LEOs. If this actually WAS an “automatic weapon,” the LEOs were likely outgunned rather badly.

Three good guys were firing and only one bad guy, yet the bad guy was hit only once, and the good guys were hit four times. Either the bad guy was an expert marksman, or his weapon was throwing a lot more lead.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 8:57 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27134 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:51 am to
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So a dead criminal would be no use to you.

I see why you wouldn’t want someone to help.

Carry on.


Oh yeah, that’s it
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 8:53 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27134 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:52 am to
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What if they civilian helps save someone?


Then yay!

But if history is any indication, they are vastly more likely to require saving than to save anyone.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140679 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:52 am to
An alarming number of people?

Thats weird. Don't be afraid.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27182 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:53 am to
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I’m a criminal defense attorney



This explains it... lol... No such thing as a good guy with a gun to pussies like you...
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27134 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:55 am to
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This explains it... lol... No such thing as a good guy with a gun to pussies like you...


Please explain how being a criminal defense attorney makes me a gun hating pussy. I’ll fricking wait, Wyatt
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27182 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:56 am to
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criminal defense attorney makes me a gun hating pussy


Never said it did but it explains your being a pussy that takes the position you are taking... You probably developed into a pussy all by your lonesome...
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27134 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:57 am to
quote:

An alarming number of people?

Thats weird. Don't be afraid.


I’m not, in the least bit. That’s a rather prescriptivist reading of my post
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140679 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:57 am to
How many people have you in this alarmed state?

past tense: alarmed; past participle: alarmed
1.
cause (someone) to feel frightened, disturbed, or in danger.

Don't be frightened.
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 8:59 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27134 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:58 am to
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Never said it did but it explains your being a pussy that takes the position you are taking... You probably developed into a pussy all by your lonesome...


That’s self contradictory. Stop talking out of your arse, Wyatt
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:58 am to
Illogical poster is illogical.

Earlier quote from Josh
quote:

I’m of the “citizens should have access to bazookas” line of thinking when it comes to gun rights ....
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 9:04 am
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7576 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:58 am to
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This makes you sound like the idiots who think police training somehow turns ordinary people into ninjas with special tactical knowledge. Ccw holders are usually more practiced and proficient with their weapons than your average cop who requalifies with his duty weapon once a year.



no, but they train together.
timing, coordination, communication, etc.

Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
24664 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:59 am to
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LOL, never change poliboard, never change.

Here’s a free hint, which you clearly need, Heller vs DC. See if you can piece together the rest without any help.....

Also, the link you posted was written in 2004, that really didn’t raise any flags for you????




Did you read the SCOTUS Decision on it?

quote:

The Supreme Court held:[46] (1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.

(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.
(c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28–30.
(d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32.
(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.
(f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes. (2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56. (3) The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition – in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute – would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D.C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64. The Opinion of the Court, delivered by Justice Scalia, was joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts, Jr. and by Justices Anthony M. Kennedy, Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr.[47]


Here's a hint. I highlighted the important portion as it would relate to the Chicago city ordinances prohibiting firearms. See if you can connect it.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
16763 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 8:59 am to
That’s an awesome story.

Question - can a citizen legally help cops and fire/kill someone without themselves being threatened?

Seems like a no brainer, but I don’t know if the law protects citizens there, which means you’re leaving up to the discrestion of a prosecutor.

Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 9:00 am to
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He had an AUTOMATIC weapon? In CHICAGO? What further proof do you need that gun control doesn't work?
Again, it did not happen in Chicago.

When there is a shooting in Texas, do you complain about Oklahoma gun laws?
This post was edited on 9/14/18 at 9:24 am
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27134 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 9:02 am to
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Question - can a citizen legally help cops and fire/kill someone without themselves being threatened?


Louisiana has a fairly strong “defense of others” statute. I imagine most states do as well.
Posted by jacob4bama
KY
Member since Nov 2010
257 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 9:02 am to
It should be noted there is a difference in going out of your way to join a fight and being caught in the middle of a gun fight.

I agree this should not be the norm, but I sure hope gun fights are not the norm. If a gun fight takes place and you are in a place of danger why not protect yourself and those around you?
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 9:03 am to
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they are vastly more likely to require saving


Well good thing the firefighters are there then.
Posted by Joshjrn
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2008
27134 posts
Posted on 9/14/18 at 9:05 am to
quote:

How many people have you in this alarmed state?

past tense: alarmed; past participle: alarmed
1.
cause (someone) to feel frightened, disturbed, or in danger.

Don't be frightened.


So on top of being doggedly prescriptivist, I’m now limited to the first bit used in the definition you happened to google. Who needs to keep reading to the second bit in a list of three? That sounds like a lot of work
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