re: Veto? AP for Bell

I don't think anybody can objectively say what Bell is worth right now.

Best case - he comes back today, gets his normal role back, and plays hard

Worst case - He waits until week 10, plays half-assed to avoid injury, and loses carries to Conner who earned a role. I think it's also safe to assume Bell might be pretty rusty his first week or two back. Oh and by the way...they get the Jags, Broncos, & Chargers in weeks 10, 11 & 12. It might be week 13 before you get the type of Bell you thought you drafted.

As of this moment, nobody knows which scenario we are closer to. That uncertainty is priced into trades. If we get the best case scenario above, then Bell>AP. If we get worst case, then AP>Bell. That being said, I think the trade is fair since either side has a chance of "winning" the trade. Don't think it should be vetoed, although the Bell owner could probably squeeze a bit more out of the trade

ETA: Didn't count the Bye week in the worst case scenario above. Think week 10 they have the Panthers...then Jags, Broncos & Chargers. That's a pretty miserable 4 week slate of defenses for a guy who hasn't been practicing.

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The trade would never be on the table if Bell weren't holding out. Your hypothetical is pointless.

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He's trying to say that if Bell wasn't holding out and the trade was offered, the people saying it should go through because it's not collusion now would still be saying it's not collusion then.

I get his point, but I disagree. If Bell was playing and this trade were made, that would throw up a huge red flag in my book.

But the point remains. He is holding out, and no one knows how long. The trade, as it stands, should not be blocked.

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He's trying to say that if Bell wasn't holding out and the trade was offered, the people saying it's not collusion now would still be saying it's not collusion then.

I get his point, but I disagree. If Bell was playing and this trade were made, that would throw up a huge red flag in my book

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If you're in a league with people who collude in week 2 you need to get out.

I've had to block trades late in the season because someone out of the playoffs is obviously trying to offload players to contenders. Those people were also not invited back to the league. I would not even bring this trade to a vote.

The only reason people want this blocked is because the guy getting Bell will be stacked when he comes back. If he drafted well enough to stash a RB for as long as this could potentially take, and he's willing to roll the dice, good for him. You dont punish someone for that.

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Our league rules state that you can't trade a player with "IR" or "O" designation.

Also that the points scored need to be within a ratio of 70%
[Player A points (Lowest)/Player B pts(highest)]

This trade would not be allowed in our league.

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With all due respect, that's tremendously short-sighted. So, by that rule, you wouldn't be able to trade Mark Ingram when he comes back because almost every active player in the league will be above that arbitrary 70% rule?

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ive read this board every day since its inception. Not hypothetical at all

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I'd love to see people claiming collusion in week 2. That's some sketchy shite.

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I'd love to see people claiming collusion in week 2. That's some sketchy shite.

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That's not what I am saying. The general consensus is almost always that is it is not collusion. My contention is that you can never really tell what is collusion & what isn't. But there are trades that are not technically collusion, however they can ruin the competitive balance of a league the same way a collusive trade could.

I dont play fantasy basketball at the moment. but did up until recently starting in the late 90s

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Not veto worthy. Navigating idiots and their moves in a league is part of the challenge.

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I agree with his statement, however, I feel like it’s geared more towards high buy in, highly competitive leagues.. I’ve seen some head scratching trades in some ‘family type’ leagues, but in a league that’s a little more legit, his post makes sense


, didn’t see this:

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right. Unless you commission a high stakes league & 10 other members hold you responsible for competitive balance. Ive vetoed like 1 trade in 10 years, but there have been many times ive reached out to the owners asking for their thoughts on their particular deal.

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I’ve been considering jumping into a basketball league.. I’ve been wanting to take a head first dive into being a pels fan, but it seems like I can only make myself watch towards the end of the season, then the playoffs... I feel like fantasy basketball would help me follow the nba a lot closer than I normally do