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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:42 am
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:42 am
been a bit of clamoring for a Master thread so I'm making one and hoping it will get sticked by the mods.

First 2 rules on shoes:

1: Go get fitted. Have somebody actually watch you run, figure out your gait, pronation, cadence, etc. and recommend shoes. They may be wrong and not get the right shoe initially. But I promise that most running shoe stores are going to have a better idea of what works for you than an hourly employee at Dicks or Academy (meant with no offense to them.)

2. One size does not fit all. Some people swear by Brooks, New Balance, Mizuno, HOKA, OnCloud, Altra, Nike, Adidas, etc. They can't all be wrong and they can't all be right. I personally hate Nike. Nothing to do with their politics or anything, but I just haven't loved running in any of their shoes. However, Galen Rupp rocks them and quite a few world class athletes run in them, so there's something there. Take recommendations from others with a grain of salt. They may say HOKA is the only shoe that they'll ever wear again... but you may try HOKA and not like the feel of it. I did not. Doesn't make them wrong, just didn't work for you


Some basics about how the foot works running.


Pronation

Pronation is how your foot rolls when you run. If it gets severe and you don't correct it, you can damage your foot pretty badly.



Something I would recommend is try to fix your pronation through exercise and correcting your running form.

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Shoes can help with this as well. My wife is a severe overpronator. She's ran in Nikes, Reeboks and Asics and they all didn't correct her pronation. I tried every stability shoe I could find including Mizuno, Brooks, NB, etc. Turns out she loved a $30 pair of Sauconys made for overpronation and voila they're her favorite shoe when we got some custom arches.

Overpronation Shoes
RunnerClick
Runner's World

Underpronation/Supination Shoes
RunnerClick
ShoeKicker




Heel Drop

Heel drop is not a big deal for me. I've never worn a shoe and had an issue with the heel drop. In fact when i've tried Altra or HOKAs with 0mm heel drop i didn't love it, but some swear by it. It just depends on your foot and running style. The idea of a lower heel drop is that your foot is flush and there's no bouncing in the shoe when you strike the ground.



Altra is famous for their 0mm Heel Drop. It's a thing, just not my thing.

Some other things to consider

Cushion
Every brand has their different science behind what they do with their cushion. NB has fresh foam, Brooks has DNA, Adidas has boost, etc. I'm a heavy pavement pounder, so i like a lot of cushion in my shoes (mainly if i'm going long distance) but when you get a heavily cushioned shoe, you are going to lose some response. Meaning you're absorbing the step, and not springing yourself forward as much. Unless you're getting into 5ks and races a lot, probably not a big deal, but a lot of minimalists like the lower heel drop with a better response from the ground.

Arches/Inserts
Most shoes are made with a neutral runner in mind. Almost every shoe I own came with the same interchangeable $.25 piece of foam. For the most part, there's not a lot of technology in there differentiating themselves. A lot of pronation issues can be addressed with inserts. Academy and Dicks have dozen of them to play with and they're fairly well labeled as to their purposes, however, if you want to address any of the pronation or heel drop issues, go to a local shoe store that specializes in inserts. A lot of the time they can look at your pronation, see what you're doing, give a recommendation on a shoe and insert and then will cut the inserts to fit. There are also inserts that aren't addressing anything, just adding cusion, response, etc. I've rarely found a need to replace, but it's worth looking at.

Trail shoes
Most often, your road shoes are fine to wear on trails. Unless you plan on getting into it heavily, you don't have to go out and buy a pair for running trails. If your trails consist of nice dirt/rock paths, then your normal shoes are probably fine.

When I got more heavily involved in trails, i found my grip was pretty poor and I slipped more than I'm proud to admit. First pair of trail shoes were $40 NBs and I noticed a marked difference. I do a lot of mud running and hill climbing and the pronounced lugs do make a big difference out there. Today, I have 2 pairs of trails shoes, but probably 20-30% of my runs are on trails. All that being said, buy road shoes for road runs, and trail shoes for trail runs. A lot of trail shoes are made to offer extra support and grip and the grips wear down on pavement.


That list of things can grow, just a starting point.

On to the shoes themselves. I'm going to list some of the shoes I see out in the running world most often. This is by no means all of the best shoes in the world, but they are shoes that are common in the running community. If you're wanting to try something new or looking at getting started running more, this is a good list to start with.


HOKA One One Clifton
Saucony Kinvara
Mizuno WaveRider
Brooks Ghosts
Brooks Adrenaline GTS
OnCloud Flow
Altra Torin
Altra Escalante
Adidas UltraBoost
New Balance 1080
Asics Gel Kayano
Asics GT 2000
Newton Distance
Skechers GoRun 7

When reading reviews, there's tons of great sites out there and you can buy from most. Buy local if you can though.

Online reviews and deals
RunRepeat aggregate ranking site. Sometimes the responses are from amateurs, but it pulls a lot of them together and gives reviews from the average runner.
Running Shoes Guru More extensive reviews
ShoeKicker A good site that will search the web for best prices on shoes that you're looking at.
Running WareHouse
Steep and Cheap has some great deals from time to time.
SoleReview


SEC country running shops:
Louisiana Running + Walking Co. NOLA FleetFeet
Luke's Locker -DFW
Rush Running - Bentonville, AR
Varsity Running - LA

Some review sites/blogs to follow:
Ginger Runner
Natural Running Center (for hippies only)


There are much smarter people than me and better runners out there, but i wanted to get a post that can maybe be stickied where people are looking to change things up or get more into running.
This post was edited on 9/11/18 at 9:08 am
Posted by RJL2
Bruno's Tavern
Member since Apr 2015
1933 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 11:09 am to
Great info!

Anyone in the New Orleans Area: I highly recommend Louisiana Running + walking Co. They do free fittings and make sure to get you in the best pair of shoes for you. Got a new pair of Brooks that I love there 2 weeks ago
Posted by philly444
stuck in contraflow
Member since Nov 2008
11404 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 11:48 am to
I've been running in Asics GT 2000 for a while and they've served me well. I'm wanting to look at Brooks or Saucony for my next pair, but my Asics aren't showing any signs of wear and tear. It's a good and bad thing I guess.
Posted by KG6
Member since Aug 2009
10920 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 2:04 pm to
quote:

1: Go get fitted.



Agree, but also understand not everyone knows what they are talking about. I've had some pretty great conversations and nerded out about equipment. And I've also been with a person who had no clue what I was talking about and I'm far from an expert. It can even be in the same store. I've been in Fleet Feet and gotten great service and I've been there and gotten "Academy level" service. Best I've ever gotten was Varsity Sports on the North Shore. Sat with the manager for probably 45 minutes just talking about natural running and types of shoes. Learned a lot that day. Shaped my beliefs on pronation shoes. Yes they help, but better running form will eliminate issues with pronation, therefore remove the need for the stabilization.

quote:

2. One size does not fit all


Finally a legit start to a shoe thread instead of people listing the best shoes. It really is completely personal. It's best to talk about shoes in terms of their features (lightweight upper, wide/narrow toe box, flex sole, high/low cushion, etc.). Like you say, some might love cushion and others feel like they are running in sand.

quote:

Heel drop is not a big deal for me. I've never worn a shoe and had an issue with the heel drop.


I think this is very important. I like lower drop, but I get hurt more easily if I don't watch my mileage ramp up very closely.



Some of my favorite sources

-Ginger Runner (Youtube). This guy does really good reviews on shoes. He doesn't have them all, but he's got quite a few. He does a really good review and really describes the shoe well without always putting his personal opinion in the review. Because again, what works for him, might not be what you are looking for. He's going to do a good job describing the shoe more than telling you if it worked for him.


- natural running center . Not saying barefoot running or natural running is gospel, but I think understanding it helped me be a more efficient runner. I'm slow as can be (especially right now as I'm getting back in shape), but I got a lot better when I started focusing on this stuff. Had some rough times at first realizing I couldn't go all in on it. But I rarely ever have knee soreness or joint soreness now that I heel strike less. And that ultimately changed up how I looked at running shoes.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
29243 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 2:11 pm to
quote:

HOKA One One Clifton


i endorse
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83694 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 3:01 pm to
zero drop 4 lyfe
Posted by BoCam2
Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
3906 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 6:25 pm to
TL;DR
Run Hokas














jk... great post
Posted by TDcline
American Gardens building 11th flor
Member since Aug 2015
9281 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:59 pm to
I switch between the ASICS Gel Kayano 24 and the new Brooks Ghost 11.

Both are incredible. I’ve always been a fan of the Kayano but I honestly feel like the new Ghosts are the best running shoe I’ve ever owned. They are incredible. I’m anxious to try the Hoka one one Cliftons though
Posted by Modern
Fiddy Men
Member since May 2011
16888 posts
Posted on 10/6/18 at 9:33 pm to
Wow I intended on coming in here and starting a thread about what’s what with shoes now in days, but this thread covered it all.

My favorite pair of ASICS running shoes finally started to rip. I found them by suprise at shoe carnival on the clearance wall for $25 bucks about 3 years ago.
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
9846 posts
Posted on 10/24/18 at 7:41 pm to
If you use runningwarehouse use code bayoud when you check out.

Nike ZoomFlys are the shite. I was always a Nike hater until these shoes hit my feet. If I still ran a lot I would drop the money for the 4% VaporFlyd
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
17816 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:16 pm to
Train in On Running Cloudflow



Race or tempo run in On Running Cloudracer



I've been thru all the companies and models since the mid 80's. Since I've learned to run on forefoot I have had good success with On Running shoes. I run as fast in these as I did my Newtons.



Posted by Andychapman13
Member since Jun 2016
2728 posts
Posted on 1/11/19 at 2:01 pm to
I have a average width foot, but experience a wide toe splay after about mile 12-15. I live and die on Mizuno Wave Sayonara v2. They’re on v4 or 5 now, so you gotta Hunt them down, but they my perfect shoe. They’re cheap and eventually fall apart, but for the miles they’re good, they’re great. The wave plate makes them very responsive and they are comfortable enough. They’re pretty lite too. Great half to marathon shoe for anyone whose toe box goes wide after an hour or more.
Posted by Brobocop
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2018
1908 posts
Posted on 1/21/19 at 1:50 pm to
Purchased some Brooks Levitates after Christmas. Love them.
Not a runner by ANY stretch, but I decided I would start training for the Crescent City Classic and have already put 22 miles on them. They're super comfortable.
Posted by Bronson2017
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2019
1921 posts
Posted on 2/20/19 at 5:26 pm to
MIL got me a pair of Adidas ultra boost for Christmas. I turned my happy arse around and bought another pair. The most comfortable shoes I have ever owned. I am usually strictly Nike but these are ridiculously comfortable.

I have heard Brooks are even better, might get a pair after these wear out.
Posted by jordan21210
Member since Apr 2009
13417 posts
Posted on 5/10/19 at 10:00 am to
New to the thread...had no clue this existed. Never really been a runner but was pushed into signing up for the CCC last month. I play soccer, so I’m in relatively good shape...but that’s a different animal. Before the CCC I don’t think I had ever run more than 3 miles in one go.

Before the race I went to LA Running and Walkig Co and got fitted. Tried Brooks, Asics, OnCloud, Mizuno and settled on some Mizuno Wave Inspire 15’s and I love them. Haven’t put a ton of running miles on them since but did about 4 miles the other day.

Just curious bc I see a lot of talk on here about the Nike 4%’s. What exactly is the difference between these race shoes and something like the Mizuno’s I have? Obviously my Mizuno’s are not race shoes, but once I start getting quicker and signing up for more runs, would someone like me who was fitted into a stability shoe be okay to run in a race type shoe like the Nike 4%?
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 10:03 am
Posted by KCM0Tiger
Kansas City, MISSOURI
Member since Nov 2011
15594 posts
Posted on 7/18/19 at 11:54 am to
I'm an amateur runner (just a few miles on a few nights per week). I recently bought some New Balance Beacon V2's and tried them out last night. Love how lightweight they are, and they seem to be plenty comfortable. They snug down nice and tight as well. Only weird thing was it kind of felt like the bottom of the shoe was curved (like I was on rockers), but I got used to that after a couple miles. So far so good!
Posted by TigeRoots
Member since Oct 2008
8505 posts
Posted on 9/22/19 at 5:52 pm to
Any Nike fans, Jackrabbit has a clearance on some of the styles going on right now. Peg Turbo 2's for $107, ZF3's for $95, etc.

JR
Posted by Athos
Member since Sep 2016
11878 posts
Posted on 5/15/20 at 2:30 pm to
With a straight and narrow foot, is there a particular Brooks model(s) I should be looking at it does it matter?

I won’t really be doing running in them, except sprints. It’ll mainly be a gym shoe/walking shoe.
Posted by rebel cat
Member since Mar 2020
1565 posts
Posted on 7/5/20 at 9:48 pm to
I wear 2 year old pair of Asics. IDGAF.
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10340 posts
Posted on 7/10/20 at 1:34 am to
I really enjoyed reading this. Thanks for posting!
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