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Is there a difference between "Impeached" and "Removed from office through impeachment"?

Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:03 pm
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:03 pm
I feel it's an important distinction.

The Democrats can vote to "impeach" Trump, presumably starting in the House.

Scenario A: If the Democrats fail to get a majority of votes, has Trump still been "impeached"?

Scenario B: If the Democrats get a majority of votes in the House, but not the needed 2/3rds in the Senate, has Trump still been "impeached"?
Posted by Brosef Stalin
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:04 pm to
House impeaches. Senate convicts and removes from office.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:05 pm to
I guess you'll be dead either way so why do you care?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:06 pm to
Yes. Bill Clinton was impeached. He was not removed from office.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:06 pm to
Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton were impeached. The house voted to bring them to trial. The Senate then votes this convict. Do we still take Civics?
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

Scenario B: If the Democrats get a majority of votes in the House, but not the needed 2/3rds in the Senate, has Trump still been "impeached"?


Yes. Impeachment is a house thing. Bill Clinton was impeached but never removed from office, but he was still impeached.

Impeach means to "bring charges." It's an indictment. The trial happens in the Senate.
Posted by KillTheGophers
Member since Jan 2016
6226 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:07 pm to
A couple of points - to be impeached the house votes and gets the votes to impeach him.

Then it goes to trial in the senate.

If the senate acts then president is removed from office.


Posted by udtiger
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:19 pm to
yes.

its the same as the difference between indictment and conviction (or, failure to convict - as was the case both with Johnson and Clinton)
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

cenario A: If the Democrats fail to get a majority of votes, has Trump still been "impeached"?


No, otherwise Trump has been impeached multiple times, because there are morons hanging out in the bowels of the democrat chamber of the house.
Posted by steadytiger
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 4:51 pm to
Impeachment is like indictment. The house does this. The senate then has a trial, which requires 2/3 vote to remove from office.
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 5:04 pm to
the dims are not even attempting an impeachment. Dims like talking about impeachment. They know full well impeaching or attempting to impeach Trump would massively get out the vote for him. Dims are stupid, but they aren't that stupid.
Posted by EA6B
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 5:20 pm to
And even if impeached, but not convicted Trump can run for re-election in 2020 and probably get a boost in voter turnout as payback to the dems for the impeachment dog and pony show.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 5:32 pm to


It will take a couple dozen house republicans. One or two gop will co sponsor.

It can not get out of committee unless its obviously true.
After the next round of trials someone will be in mourning.

The Orange one is doomed.
Posted by gthog61
Irving, TX
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:00 pm to
No

Neither is happening
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 6:54 pm to
Yes, there's a difference. Bill Clinton was impeached for perjury among other things, but he (obviously) remained in office.
Posted by VoxDawg
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Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:53 pm to
Not specifically directed at you, Winston, but in a general sense, it scares the shite out of me that Americans from all walks of life have to ask the question, because that means they don't know.

Then again, half of the country keeps talking about saving our "democracy" so all bet are off.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Member since Dec 2006
89621 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:30 pm to
quote:

The Democrats can vote to "impeach" Trump, presumably starting in the House.


In fact, only 2 Presidents (both Democrats) have been impeached. Andrew Johnson only narrowly avoided being removed from office.

William Jefferson Clinton was impeached, but had a far more solidly partisan vote behind him (no Democrat voted for impeachment or removal) PLUS 5 Rs on 1 charge and 10 on the other.

Richard Nixon is the only President, thus far, that I believe would have been impeached and removed had he not resigned.
Posted by Loungefly85
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Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:37 pm to
Think of impeach as another word for indicted.
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