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Is it a campaign finance violation if it's your own money?

Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:40 am
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69785 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:40 am
For the longest time, Trump financed his own campaign. So if Trump paid these women off at a time when he was financing 100% of his run for the White House, did he break any laws?

Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:42 am to
It wasn’t a campaign expense.

And it wasn’t a campaign finance violation.
Posted by AggieDub14
Oil Baron
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:42 am to
He wasnt 100% financing his run for the Whitehouse so irrelevant question.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
76948 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:45 am to
He used his own money to settle issues that predated his candidacy. This is a complete nothing burger.
Posted by Hightide12
Member since Nov 2012
2730 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:46 am to
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He wasnt 100% financing his run for the Whitehouse so irrelevant question.

What?

To OP, of course not, that’s why this is so fun to watch.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62725 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:46 am to
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It wasn’t a campaign expense.

And it wasn’t a campaign finance violation.


The reasoning behind the "campaign finance" angle is because Trump used money to keep quiet information that had the potential to damage his campaign.

quote:

The campaign-finance violations concern Cohen’s role in arranging hush-money payments for Daniels and ex-Playboy model Karen McDougal, who also said she had an affair with Trump. Prosecutors said these payments, which served to suppress damaging information about a candidate for federal office, were tantamount illegal campaign contributions to Trump.


This is nothing more than baiting a line for impeachment if the Democrats take control of the house. However, they may have a problem if this is their strategy:

LINK
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 8:49 am
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
91584 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:47 am to
Maybe he should pay it back from the his current salary... Oh wait
Posted by clooneyisgod
Member since Feb 2006
7838 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:49 am to
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He used his own money to settle issues that predated his candidacy. This is a complete nothing burger.



I’m good enough. I’m smart enough...
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125514 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:50 am to
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The reasoning behind the "campaign finance" angle is because Trump used money to keep quiet information that had the potential to damage his campaign.


Yeah. That’s the reasoning. It’s bullshite. But that’s the reasoning.

You could extend that reasoning to any personal expense. “If my dog doesn’t have dog food, the animal lovers will view me poorly. Chalk that up as a campaign expense.”
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
76948 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:51 am to
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clooneyisgod


quote:

I’m good enough. I’m smart enough...



Posted by Vecchio Cane
Ivory Tower
Member since Jul 2016
18584 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:51 am to
What happens if Trump can show that he had Cohen pay hush money to people before he ever ran for office? What else was Cohen for?
Posted by Hightide12
Member since Nov 2012
2730 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:52 am to
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The reasoning behind the "campaign finance" angle is because Trump used money to keep quiet information that had the potential to damage his campaign.

The reason behind the “campaign finance” angle is because people have TDS and want to try and “get Trump” on anything.

There is no angle, it’s fabricated for idiots.

He paid with his own money, not a crime and never will be.
Posted by Stuttgart Tiger
Branson, MO
Member since Jan 2006
15423 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:52 am to
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This is a complete nothing burger.


We've had so many nothing burgers that I feel like we're in a competitive eating contest.

Just like with Russian collusion, they're going to try and make something stick but there ain't nothing to it.

Based on the brief recordings I heard, Trump wanted it done the legal way, set up a corporation and write a check.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62725 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 8:58 am to
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He paid with his own money, not a crime and never will be.



Exactly, and I hope (if they regain the House) the Democrats try to impeach him on this. Watching that grenade blow up in their collective faces will be classic.

ETA: I wonder how many campaign finance skeletons Aunt Maxine and Cedric Richmond have in their closets.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 9:10 am
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
27561 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:00 am to
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He used his own money to settle issues that predated his candidacy. This is a complete nothing burger.


Explain that to the guy who just pled guilty.
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
125514 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:01 am to
If it was the only (or even most important) crime he pled to, I’d be a little more impressed.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:02 am to
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:07 am to
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He used his own money to settle issues that predated his candidacy. This is a complete nothing burger.


It may or may not be a campaign violation but here's what we do know. He committed a minor crime (twice) and paid six figures to hush it up.

This is the sort of thing that for normal people will justify yanking a security clearance. It isn't the crime, it's the coverup.

Nixon was forced out over a similar issue. He didn't commit the Watergate burglaries but was happy to obscure matters.

It makes you wonder what Trump did when he was in Russia as a private citizen. He could engage in whatever he liked outside public scrutiny and he knew it too.

We may never know what that was but this guy does.

Posted by AlceeFortier
Member since Dec 2016
1795 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:08 am to
Ahhh. All the posters here know the campaign finance laws very well.....NOT. There are individual limits and using the laws to cover up for other payments is a problem.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
62725 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 9:12 am to
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He committed a minor crime (twice) and paid six figures to hush it up.



What minor crime did he commit? Screwing a porn star and Playboy model are now crimes?

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It isn't the crime, it's the coverup.


What cover up? That he paid two whores to be quiet about a consensual sexual relationship?
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 9:15 am
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