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re: Anybody Else Done With Superhero/Comic Book Movies
Posted on 8/17/18 at 8:51 am to mindbreaker
Posted on 8/17/18 at 8:51 am to mindbreaker
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Considering the first true comic book movie was made in 2000 "XMEN" I'm going to say you are a full of crap troll
You realize there have been superhero movies since the 50's right? And actually really popular Superman movies in the 70's and 80's, and Batman movies in the 80's and 90's?
So either know at least halfway know what your talking about, or read the post before you start popping off. Preferably just go practice falling down.
This post was edited on 8/17/18 at 9:50 am
Posted on 8/17/18 at 9:22 am to RLDSC FAN
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That's my issue with the MCU as well. The hyperbole on this board is just insane to me. Movie expectations have seriously gone down hill if this is what we consider great films now.
No one does.
I think you hammer this point to be contrarian on the MCU as a whole.
1) No one has equated any MCU film to something like the Godfather
2) Even if they use the word great, you kind of have to read between the lines. Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure is a great film for what it tries to do. No, people are not going to put it in a "Top 20 greatest films of all time" list. Or even a Top 100 "Greatest film achievements of all time."....
3) Because there are different kinds of "greats," not just one
4) This board still celebrates Ex Machina, Whiplash, A Quiet Place, Spotlight, and a host of other "great" movies.
There's nothing wrong with having a great movie experience via a comic book movie. Not every movie has to be a masterful piece of art.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 9:33 am to mindbreaker
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Considering the first true comic book movie was made in 2000 "XMEN" I'm going to say you are a full of crap troll
Blade doesn't count and was made in 98 so even if you did count it you are still full of crap
Why doesn't Blade count? It was a Marvel Comic Book.
I'm guessing you aren't going to count the 4 batman movies either? or the superman movies? or the swamp thing movies?
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:09 am to mindbreaker
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Considering the first true comic book movie was made in 2000 "XMEN" I'm going to say you are a full of crap troll
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:11 am to VinegarStrokes
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Why doesn't Blade count? It was a Marvel Comic Book.
I'm guessing you aren't going to count the 4 batman movies either? or the superman movies? or the swamp thing movies?
Or Spawn. Granted its not Marvel or DC but Image Comics is pretty big in its own right.
Judge Dredd no doubt counts as well. Its pretty bad, buts still a comic book movie.
There are comedies too that are debatable. Mystery Men, The Phantom. Or animated series like Batman: The Mask of Phantasm.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:15 am to JetsetNuggs
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I'll continue to watch every single Marvel movie until they make one that legitimately sucks.
Then you should've stopped after the first Thor.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 10:35 am to CocomoLSU
If someone hasn't seen Scott Pilgrim because it's a comic book movie, they they are missing out.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 11:08 am to el Gaucho
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This is the demographic that likes comic book movies.
I'll never understand this attitude. "Film critics" get crapped on all the time for being snobby and elitist, but it was the French New Wave who championed westerns and genre film as great art (essentially, the super hero film of their day). I find the supposed elitist snobs are much ore willing to champion the greatness of genre trash.
You should never write off a whole genre. There are bad comic book movies, there are great ones. same with westerns, or rom-coms, or war films, or whatever. Denying yourself an experience solely because of its genre is such a limiting way to go through life. It's like denying yourself of the full richness of experience, just so you can claim how much cooler and sophisticated you are. I mean, knock yourself out, but you're only hurting yourself.
The best comic book movies, like horror films (another of my favorite genres), can smuggle in critical themes that straight movies can't. Mainly because people aren't paying attention to those details. For example, THOR RAGNAROK is a pretty damning portrayal of colonialism and the way that people in control manipulate information to oppress others, while at the same time treating themselves as above it all or worse yet, as the good guys. As Hela says, they love what they have, ashamed of how they got it. But its even more fleshed out in the Grandmaster's world and how he oppressed society.
Now, is that the thrust of the film? OF course not. That would be a major bummer. So it's also about brotherhood, finding your true self, and a Thor/Hulk buddy comedy. But those other themes are there if you just tug at the thread. It's not essential to delve into those themes to enjoy the movie, but they are there. And that, to me, is really interesting and cool.
And before you mention BLACK PANTHER being overly political, that is true, but the hidden theme is how deeply feminist the movie is. The argument of who's right, Killmonger or T'Challa, misses the point. they're both wrong. Nakia is the one with the truly ethical and moral vision for Wakanda, and it is her vision which wins out.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 11:53 am to Baloo
I know that reply wasnt to me but kind of was, so just my thoughts...
I personally haven't written off the genre. Just certain aspects of it. Part of what made me not watch nearly as many is bc of certain characters and being burnt out on them.
(since we're comparing genres) I like a number of Hugh Grant rom-coms, he has done multiple in that genre but he's not the same character and it's not following one giant story arc. I started disliking Tony Starks character in Iron Man 2. I kept pushing and hated Iron Man 3, still I kept going and after watching The Avengers and Civil War, his character became even worse for me, his shtick got old, it was the same in every movie and he was basically the star of a captain america movie and a team of super heroes. So to me, there were almost 5 Iron Man movies. Why would I keep watching something that I haven't liked since the 1st installment?
There might be good and bad westerns, but how many have there even been over the past few years, you can count them on your hand. And ita not like they are the 2nd and 3rd installments and then form some western clan to be all together and have 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th installments of that.
If I had to see Hugh Grants character in Two Weeks Notice three times, and then he combine with Matthew McConaughey character from How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days and they do 3 movies together, then yea I might actually get tired of rom-coms.
Then you add to it the reboots. How many have already been rebooted? And how many more are on the way? And it no longer matters now how long its been since it was done, as long as it was halfway bad (sometimes not bad at all), its fair game to reboot. How many other genres do you see doing that? There are reboots out there but nothing on the scale of super hero movies.
There are plenty of fair reasons to not like the where the genre is at right now. I have loved a number of them, and have liked a few recent ones, but im not going to go see them just to go see them because its a super hero movie. If we are saying its like rom-coms, westerns, horrors, why is it wrong to be selective with super hero movies just like I am with other genres?
On a m/tv forum i'll talk about it but I havent tried to persuade any of my friends to dislike them or talk down to someone and make it seem like you dont like good movies bc you like them. Im certainly not doing it to look cool.
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You should never write off a whole genre. There are bad comic book movies, there are great ones. same with westerns, or rom-coms, or war films, or whatever. Denying yourself an experience solely because of its genre is such a limiting way to go through life. It's like denying yourself of the full richness of experience, just so you can claim how much cooler and sophisticated you are. I mean, knock yourself out, but you're only hurting yourself.
I personally haven't written off the genre. Just certain aspects of it. Part of what made me not watch nearly as many is bc of certain characters and being burnt out on them.
(since we're comparing genres) I like a number of Hugh Grant rom-coms, he has done multiple in that genre but he's not the same character and it's not following one giant story arc. I started disliking Tony Starks character in Iron Man 2. I kept pushing and hated Iron Man 3, still I kept going and after watching The Avengers and Civil War, his character became even worse for me, his shtick got old, it was the same in every movie and he was basically the star of a captain america movie and a team of super heroes. So to me, there were almost 5 Iron Man movies. Why would I keep watching something that I haven't liked since the 1st installment?
There might be good and bad westerns, but how many have there even been over the past few years, you can count them on your hand. And ita not like they are the 2nd and 3rd installments and then form some western clan to be all together and have 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th installments of that.
If I had to see Hugh Grants character in Two Weeks Notice three times, and then he combine with Matthew McConaughey character from How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days and they do 3 movies together, then yea I might actually get tired of rom-coms.
Then you add to it the reboots. How many have already been rebooted? And how many more are on the way? And it no longer matters now how long its been since it was done, as long as it was halfway bad (sometimes not bad at all), its fair game to reboot. How many other genres do you see doing that? There are reboots out there but nothing on the scale of super hero movies.
There are plenty of fair reasons to not like the where the genre is at right now. I have loved a number of them, and have liked a few recent ones, but im not going to go see them just to go see them because its a super hero movie. If we are saying its like rom-coms, westerns, horrors, why is it wrong to be selective with super hero movies just like I am with other genres?
On a m/tv forum i'll talk about it but I havent tried to persuade any of my friends to dislike them or talk down to someone and make it seem like you dont like good movies bc you like them. Im certainly not doing it to look cool.
This post was edited on 8/17/18 at 11:58 am
Posted on 8/17/18 at 12:10 pm to Baloo
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Now, is that the thrust of the film? OF course not. That would be a major bummer. So it's also about brotherhood, finding your true self, and a Thor/Hulk buddy comedy. But those other themes are there if you just tug at the thread. It's not essential to delve into those themes to enjoy the movie, but they are there. And that, to me, is really interesting and cool.
And before you mention BLACK PANTHER being overly political, that is true, but the hidden theme is how deeply feminist the movie is. The argument of who's right, Killmonger or T'Challa, misses the point. they're both wrong. Nakia is the one with the truly ethical and moral vision for Wakanda, and it is her vision which wins out.
Ding ding ding.
Like Age of Ultron's take on family. some of the films are actually deep enough to have impact, but entertaining enough to be enjoyed. I've always wondered why people almost specifically don't analyze them.
You see it in comics too. The trappings get in the way of the meaning too often.
Posted on 8/17/18 at 2:10 pm to Baloo
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Baloo
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Freauxen
I will riot if you dont respond to that freaking short story I just wrote
Posted on 8/17/18 at 2:20 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I would watch your Matthew mconahey/Hugh grant mashup
That sounds tight
That sounds tight
This post was edited on 8/17/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 8/17/18 at 4:00 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I think being done with a character is a lot different than being done with a genre. Is the Tony Stark arc pretty much complete? Yeah, I'd agree. He's gone from petulant man child to a legit father figure to Peter Parker. Him giving Spidey a hug was really the completion of his arc on an emotional level. He was finally emotionally available for another person. But I'm not arguing you should watch another Iron Man movie.
As for westerns, they've been a surprisingly fertile genre recently. I mean the twin towers of 2007, There Will Be Blood and No Country, sort of dominate the genre recently, but since then, we've had the Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, the Revenant, and the Hateful 8. but you also have non-traditional westerns like Logan (look, a superhero film!) and Hell or High Water. It's still a genre full of surprises.
Is it wrong with being selective which movies you watch? Of course not. You can't see everything. But writing off a genre isn't the way to do it.
As for westerns, they've been a surprisingly fertile genre recently. I mean the twin towers of 2007, There Will Be Blood and No Country, sort of dominate the genre recently, but since then, we've had the Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford, the Revenant, and the Hateful 8. but you also have non-traditional westerns like Logan (look, a superhero film!) and Hell or High Water. It's still a genre full of surprises.
Is it wrong with being selective which movies you watch? Of course not. You can't see everything. But writing off a genre isn't the way to do it.
Posted on 8/18/18 at 6:14 am to Baloo
Not responding to the last post in particular
I am mostly along for the ride but killing off the people you know have movies coming up seems manipulative. I am sure them coming back will be a big emotional moment. Knowing about future contracts messes that up.
I am mostly along for the ride but killing off the people you know have movies coming up seems manipulative. I am sure them coming back will be a big emotional moment. Knowing about future contracts messes that up.
Posted on 8/18/18 at 8:13 am to iwyLSUiwy
I could understand the stance if they weren’t legitimately making an effort to put out good movies at the same time.
Curious, what type of films would you have be the summer blockbusters if not these?
Curious, what type of films would you have be the summer blockbusters if not these?
Posted on 8/18/18 at 12:39 pm to ShamelessPel
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Curious, what type of films would you have be the summer blockbusters if not these?
The last two movies I saw in the theaters was A Quiet Place and Solo. Although it had been a really long day of work and I fell asleep 30 minutes into Solo. I really really wanted to see Incredibles 2 but it said on the ticket window dont see it if you are prone to seizures. That was disappointing.
Not sure really on what I would prefer. A few non sequels or something a little original. Seems like that's asking too much. Although A Quiet Place kind of fits that bill.
I will say that I'm sure I'll go see Venom and if they do the Joker stand alone.
Posted on 8/18/18 at 6:18 pm to JetsetNuggs
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I'll continue to watch every single Marvel movie until they make one that legitimately sucks.
DC will be determined on a case by case basis, but in general, they suck at making enjoyable movies.
I'm extremely hopeful Sony doesn't frick up Venom.
All THIS!
Posted on 8/18/18 at 9:05 pm to Triple Bogey
quote:I hear ya, but you're missing the point with the MCU.
I don't particularly like them because they tend to follow the same plot lines, tropes, etc. but I can see why they are still being made.
It's like Game of Thrones... a ton of separate storylines at first, but as it progresses, you can see the threads coming together.
For example, I flat-out disliked Iron Man 3, and was underwhelmed by Avengers: Age of Ultron. But now, after seeing where the story has gone, I see those in a different light. Lots of apparently random things that were introduced end up being highly relevant to where things are currently.
Posted on 8/18/18 at 9:39 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I bet you listen to bullshite music that no one else listens to. So refined!
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