re: VolTiger -Kristian Fulton

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Ncaa will clear him. Then the sec office will still rule him ineligible. Happens to one of our players every single year.


I disagree given this particular situation.

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Yep, no way SEC does this. The kid had a year of his career ripped from him for a drug test he didnt fail. Nor did he turn in an altered sample.

He "thought" about cheating but didnt. It doesnt matter if he changed his mind on the way there, or 10 seconds before handing it to the tester...he changed his mind, gave a sample, and passed the test.

Case clos3d... hes suffered enough and more than any KID who has actually failed a test

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Fulton has admitted that he was caught pouring a foreign liquid (read: someone else's pee) into the receptacle before being caught by the proctor.

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It's not a sample until its capped, taped, and signed. Until he hands it over, it's just a cup with pink. That's the process that keeps a biased sampler from fricking with a sample.

Trust me on this, I'm heavy into this business. And I employ collectors.

I do agree with you on not having a coming yo jesus moment.

And I deal in real life courts and not kangaroo SEC "hearings"

But if you want to get "legal". It is not a sample confirmed until it is signed off on.

Most times, it's a 2 step process that never leaves the eyes of the person being tested. POC cups have a temp reading that is noted and has a range of acceptable temp as being a "fresh" sample. Then its capped and has a seal placed on closed lid that is signed/initialed by the tested person. That seal has to be in place when reaching lab and being accessioned. If seal is missing or torn..ssmple is void.

My explanation is very watered down, just to speak about it..
And again, SEC doesnt necessarily follow the legal grounds of a court. But when attorneys get involved, arguements more follow the legal court precedents, which I assume is happening here.
I hope so, because Fulton absolutely would win in court IF he didnt actually turn the bad sample in and sign

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Dave England

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Dude..SEC, NCAA etc try to keep up. Everyone knows it's an NCAA test.

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this isn't in a court of law

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Agreed, try to keep up

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Fultons attorney

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Hmmmmm, wonder why he is using an attorney. Probably to argue the legality of the wording of the rule compared to the actual actions of Fulton and if a sample existed. Try to keep up

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but you sound way out of your element when it comes to discussing NCAA hearings.

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Nope. They are "hearings" at this point. That changes when an attorney is convinced the interpretation of the law is wrong and filed an injunction request which outs it in a judges hands, ie, the courts and makes it gulp...legal

No one wants that, including the NCAA. Which is why they are rehearing the case.

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Everyone knows it's an NCAA test.

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except you, who makes reference to the "SEC kangaroo court"

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Hmmmmm, wonder why he is using an attorney.

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what do you suggest? you know lawyers do more than just sue people, right?

nah, nevermind, thats out of your scope of expertise of peeing in cups.

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That changes when an attorney is convinced the interpretation of the law is wrong and filed an injunction request which outs it in a judges hands, ie, the courts and makes it gulp...legal

No one wants that, including the NCAA. Which is why they are rehearing the case.

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lol please link me to this injunction that was filed. you sound completely clueless. you think the NCAA gives a shite about lawsuits?

Ed O'Bannon's lawsuit didnt go to trial until 5 years after it was filed. If fulton's attorney filed some sort of pleading, by the time they got any sort of resolution Fulton will already be a pro-bowler in the NFL.

I didnt trash him I said his English was bad. Do you disagree? I didnt say he NEEDS anything.
Its not a Devin white issue, most kids' skills in the English vocabulary are diminished and improper.

You could use some brushing up yourself in both writing and reading comprehension.

You can sugarcoat shite all you want to and it’s still going to be a turd.. I stand by my opinion, you’re a POS. His ‘english’ is just fine, I had zero problems understanding him. Now frick off, hoe

For the record, I was 100% being sarcastic when I said the SEC will rule him ineligible.

You’re confusing expectation with potential.

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GFY

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Ditto

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dont care about the poster fights going on here but you are spot on about the test validity and the impetus for the new hearing. I have dealt with employee testing for years and the company will often come to the table in a bad test rather than a) go to court or b) have the whole program evaluated and set back.

And as you said, it in the courts it is not a sample until the sample is sealed and signed.

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Thank you for this. I agree I come across in the wrong way sometimes, but it's like people on this site would rather bad information than to actually hear , nor only facts, but logical progression by using facts.
It's not a court case...yet and no one ever wants it to become one. But he has a lawyer. That lawyer looks at the laws of both NCAA and federal statutes that have been created thru the courts.
My semi-educated guess is that the lawyer has found a significant issue that conflicts with the standards set in the courts.
Who knows where this goes? The NCAA is rehearing it for a reason. And that's a good thing no matter what the outcome is.
Very word situation, but IF the legal word of a "sample" is used...from what I've read, the bad sample was never handed to the collector, so the question will be, did he try and cheat the test.

On top of that, he was clean when he gave his own sample.

So many places for all of us to be wrong...but I sure hope you and I have a point and it works to get him active! Having great db's at both corners opens up the D to blitz