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re: Official Running Log/Marathon Training Thread
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:09 pm to jordan21210
Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:09 pm to jordan21210
Yep. Always liked Emily. And any runner bucking the ever increasing clown shoe stack height is good with me, haha.
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Posted on 10/10/22 at 8:52 pm to TigeRoots
Officially signed up for LA marathon. It will be my first.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 6:21 am to TigeRoots
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ever increasing clown shoe stack height
With this said, I just ordered some VF2’s $175 shipped. Nike has them on sale, I know you were contemplating a new pair too.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:20 am to jordan21210
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Saw she raced in New Balance Supercomp Pacer which is their low stack plated shoe. Bucking the trend.
8mm drop is a low stack height now?
I’ve been running in 4mm or less for so long that I tried some 8mm shoes a while back and it felt so weird I had to take them off.
This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 7:23 am
Posted on 10/11/22 at 7:36 am to Aubie Spr96
Stack =/= Drop.
The NB Supercomp Pacer I think is 17/25 stack. Compare that to their marathon shoe, the RC Elite at 28/36, and their largest stack shoe, the Supercomp Trainer at 39/47.
By current standards, 17/25 is low but still higher than some racing flats 10 years ago.
The NB Supercomp Pacer I think is 17/25 stack. Compare that to their marathon shoe, the RC Elite at 28/36, and their largest stack shoe, the Supercomp Trainer at 39/47.
By current standards, 17/25 is low but still higher than some racing flats 10 years ago.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:24 am to jordan21210
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Stack =/= Drop.
What does it mean then? For real. I have no idea. The overall height of the foot from the ground?
Posted on 10/11/22 at 8:32 am to Aubie Spr96
Yeah, stack is the height of the foam. Every manufacturer measures it differently - example, Asics does not include the insole so on their website their stacks are lower than actual.
Drop is the difference between forefoot and rear foot stack. So 17/25 stack = 8 drop. All in mm.
Drop is the difference between forefoot and rear foot stack. So 17/25 stack = 8 drop. All in mm.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:04 am to jordan21210
Gotcha. Thanks, that was helpful. I've spent too much time on the Poli Board and the SECr. Not used to an honest, helpful, insightful answer.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:06 am to Aubie Spr96
Do your mental health a favor and get off the poliboard.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 9:43 am to jordan21210
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Do your mental health a favor and get off the poliboard.
Seems I love watching trainwrecks......
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:24 am to Salmon
Novice runner here with a shoe question:
I completed my second 5k recently and my pace was 8:37/mile. My usual training runs are around 8:50. I'm slowly ramping up my mileage with a goal of running the LA Half Marathon in January. I plan on running the LSU 10K, as it works into my 12 week plan for the LA Half.
I run 4 days a week in my neighborhood. Never done speedwork, just mileage runs and tracking my pace. It is dropping each week. I bought the Saucony Speed 2's with the discount code a few weeks ago. They took some getting used to but I like the way they feel. I do get some outside knee pain for a day or so after a long run- I haven't had any pain during a run. Maybe need more cushioning for every day training?
I'm wondering as I increase my training miles if I should buy a separate shoe with more cushioning and keep the speeds for race days? Is the thinking that race shoes can be a little less comfortable but faster as it is just for 1 event at a time rather than daily pounding?
I've been reading about the Saucony Triumphs as a more cushioned option, but some say it is too plush. I am open to other brands as well but so far I like the Saucony's.
I'm open to suggestions and advice.
I completed my second 5k recently and my pace was 8:37/mile. My usual training runs are around 8:50. I'm slowly ramping up my mileage with a goal of running the LA Half Marathon in January. I plan on running the LSU 10K, as it works into my 12 week plan for the LA Half.
I run 4 days a week in my neighborhood. Never done speedwork, just mileage runs and tracking my pace. It is dropping each week. I bought the Saucony Speed 2's with the discount code a few weeks ago. They took some getting used to but I like the way they feel. I do get some outside knee pain for a day or so after a long run- I haven't had any pain during a run. Maybe need more cushioning for every day training?
I'm wondering as I increase my training miles if I should buy a separate shoe with more cushioning and keep the speeds for race days? Is the thinking that race shoes can be a little less comfortable but faster as it is just for 1 event at a time rather than daily pounding?
I've been reading about the Saucony Triumphs as a more cushioned option, but some say it is too plush. I am open to other brands as well but so far I like the Saucony's.
I'm open to suggestions and advice.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:17 am to slinger1317
The Speed is definitely a faster day shoe but a lot of people use them as daily trainers. IMO, I’d get a true daily trainer and save the Speeds for speed work and racing.
As for knee pain, could be a multitude of issues but doubt it’s a lack of cushioning - the Speeds are pretty cushy. Are you doing daily mileage in the Speed as well?
Also, if the 8:37 5k was an all out effort for you, you need to slow your daily mile pace. Should be running daily miles probably closer to 10/mile. Sounds excruciatingly slow, but run slow to go fast is the golden rule.
As for knee pain, could be a multitude of issues but doubt it’s a lack of cushioning - the Speeds are pretty cushy. Are you doing daily mileage in the Speed as well?
Also, if the 8:37 5k was an all out effort for you, you need to slow your daily mile pace. Should be running daily miles probably closer to 10/mile. Sounds excruciatingly slow, but run slow to go fast is the golden rule.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:42 am to jordan21210
I’m doing everything in the speeds right now. Daily runs and the race.
I’ve heard about slowing down on the training runs, and honestly I don’t understand it. Running at a 10 min pace seems counterproductive. It would be seriously altering my gait, but I know people swear by it
I’ve heard about slowing down on the training runs, and honestly I don’t understand it. Running at a 10 min pace seems counterproductive. It would be seriously altering my gait, but I know people swear by it
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:55 am to slinger1317
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I’m doing everything in the speeds right now. Daily runs and the race.
I’d get some daily trainers. Sticking with Saucony is good, Triumph 20 or Ride are good options among many others.
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I’ve heard about slowing down on the training runs, and honestly I don’t understand it. Running at a 10 min pace seems counterproductive. It would be seriously altering my gait, but I know people swear by it
People swear by it because it’s backed by science and professional athletes. You have to establish your aerobic base and you do that by running more miles at slower paces. Then you can throw in a workout once a week as mileage increases. I’ll let other more experienced runners chime in. I still consider myself a novice. That said I run my daily miles at 9:00-9:30 pace and my PR’s are 20:34 5k, 47:50 10k, and 1:51 HM. The latter two I think I could easily beat right now. 5k’s are f’ing brutal.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 10:10 am
Posted on 10/12/22 at 10:30 am to jordan21210
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People swear by it because it’s backed by science and professional athletes. You have to establish your aerobic base and you do that by running more miles at slower paces.
I'm currently doing the 80/20 tier 2 marathon plan. Most of the mileage is at 140 HR which is between an 11-13 min mile. It's hard to run this slow, but I feel like I could do it forever.
He has a couple of speed days in there, but only 20% of the mileage is speed work.
Posted on 10/13/22 at 8:45 am to slinger1317
You need to remain in your aerobic threshold, HR zone3, during long distance training runs. You build an base endurance for much longer runs at this zone. Anything above that, anaerobic threshold, your lactic acid starts to build and it’s difficult to maintain for long distance.
You need to maintain the same form for slow runs as your would fast runs, your stride is the only change.
You need to maintain the same form for slow runs as your would fast runs, your stride is the only change.
Posted on 10/14/22 at 7:30 pm to The Implication
The temperature after 6pm lately has been niiice 
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:16 pm to Ingeniero
So excited for this front to push through here in texas tomorrow morning, and the following week of temps.
I told myself no more new shoes, but noticed adidas was having a stupid good sale on their black adios pro 3 for about $115 after discounts were applied. I’ve actually never tried an adidas running shoe so I’m excited. Not really sure how to fit it into my rotation though since I don’t really race, and all my runs are well below race pace for the most part, but the reviews I’ve read said the changes made to the pro 3 make them more versatile for a variety of speeds rather than just being designed for the upper tier pro runners. I know the foam on these “super shoes” are supposed to degrade much quicker than your daily trainers, but hoping to get some decent mileage out of them. I guess I’ll just use them for my long runs on Saturday. Anyone else have experience with the adios pro line?
I told myself no more new shoes, but noticed adidas was having a stupid good sale on their black adios pro 3 for about $115 after discounts were applied. I’ve actually never tried an adidas running shoe so I’m excited. Not really sure how to fit it into my rotation though since I don’t really race, and all my runs are well below race pace for the most part, but the reviews I’ve read said the changes made to the pro 3 make them more versatile for a variety of speeds rather than just being designed for the upper tier pro runners. I know the foam on these “super shoes” are supposed to degrade much quicker than your daily trainers, but hoping to get some decent mileage out of them. I guess I’ll just use them for my long runs on Saturday. Anyone else have experience with the adios pro line?
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:54 pm to REG861
Love that race.
Posted on 10/17/22 at 5:48 am to Salmon
Completed my first marathon yesterday in 3h 41min. I cramped in my hip flexor around mile 8 and it stayed with me through the majority of the race. I’ve also been battling some extensor tendinitis for the last couple of weeks, but that didn’t flare up until around mile 21. All in all, I am happy with how it went and can’t wait to find my next race! The next couple of weeks will be mainly just walking to let my body heal and then will start building some more strength to support my next training regiment.
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