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re: Released body camera footage shows cops stood outside Vegas gunman's door in fear
Posted on 7/3/18 at 6:13 pm to SpanishFortTiger
Posted on 7/3/18 at 6:13 pm to SpanishFortTiger
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In that moment I’m not sure what I would have done
Agree. That's why I'm not a cop. I'm not trained to handle shite like this. They are.
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Posted on 7/3/18 at 6:17 pm to dbuchanon
Laura Loomer called the cops out, sheriff guy out, especially about their lies and cover ups. She continues to prove that her leg work and info was true.
One can only imagine what else were being lied about, about this whole story. They have been caught in a shite load of lies.
One can only imagine what else were being lied about, about this whole story. They have been caught in a shite load of lies.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 6:23 pm to lsuwontonwrap
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Agree. That's why I'm not a cop. I'm not trained to handle shite like this. They are.
I normally say that pretty loudly for when they shoot a random dude in the street— this is auto gunfire behind a closed door. I don’t think they are super prepped for THIS and even if they are you never know how you will react. Guy in street flinching is a totally different conversation
Posted on 7/3/18 at 7:11 pm to NoSaint
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this is auto gunfire
If you keep repeating it, it isn't any more true.
Posted on 7/3/18 at 7:16 pm to MoarKilometers
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you keep repeating it, it isn't any more true.
Sorry - this is a bump stock that simulates auto firing? I was sending off a quick response on my phone about the cops reaction, not an analysis of the gun in question. Standing outside the room he heard rapid fire and didn’t know what was in there
Posted on 7/3/18 at 7:19 pm to NoSaint
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EXCLUSIVE: Child porn charge against brother of Las Vegas gunman is THROWN OUT after his lawyer claims the case was 'prejudiced' because an LA deputy district attorney's daughter was killed in the mass shooting Bruce Paddock's charge for possession of child pornography has been thrown out by an LA Superior Court judge
Paddock's lawyer argued that his client's case was 'tremendously prejudiced' by the Las Vegas shooting carried out by his brother, Stephen Paddock Paddock, 59, was charged with 'possession of over 600 images of child or youth pornography' three years AFTER the stash of photos was found - weeks after 2017 massacre
Authorities only found Paddock after he called Las Vegas police after the massacre and gave them his address The judge refused to allow the prosecution a last-minute adjournment to produce witness who discovered Paddock's alleged stash of child porn Daughter of a deputy district attorney who worked in the court house was one of the 58 people killed
Posted on 7/3/18 at 10:41 pm to toosleaux
The victims should call Gordon and get it done. He’ll show up in his Ferrari and hand out bible literature. Blessed are the peacemakers.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:21 am to NotGrammarKnotsi
I know I am no one to judge this as I couldn't begin to take on this type of mission.. but I agree with Lt. Sutton.. Someone, the senior officer, needed to take charge and show leadership in this situation.. and it simply just did not happen.
This is not at all like what you see from most police officers working as a team.
Again though I have to remember they are just people as well. I do feel like if he is shooting crazy towards outside they could go ahead and barge in and take him out.. or at least threaten him in some fashion to distract him and give those people more of a chance for escape.. but I will quit with endless possibilities, because it's not my place to judge. I wasn't there and I don't know the situation.. It's such an unfortunate situation and all I can ask is that they learn something useful from this experience moving forward.
This is not at all like what you see from most police officers working as a team.
Again though I have to remember they are just people as well. I do feel like if he is shooting crazy towards outside they could go ahead and barge in and take him out.. or at least threaten him in some fashion to distract him and give those people more of a chance for escape.. but I will quit with endless possibilities, because it's not my place to judge. I wasn't there and I don't know the situation.. It's such an unfortunate situation and all I can ask is that they learn something useful from this experience moving forward.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:02 am to Tygerfan
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Kill a innocent person on the 33rd floor and watch the shite storm from the media unfold against the "rogue" officer.
So a bullet is gonna go through the ceiling of Floor 31, the floor and ceiling of Floor 32, and the floor of Floor 33, and still have enough velocity to kill someone?
Dey using dem majik bullets der?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:04 am to NotGrammarKnotsi
Pedotiger 74 alter?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:27 am to bamafan1001
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Even distracting the shooter buys time for people to find cover
This is the answer, I would never expect the officers to charge into the face of the gunfire but sending a few rounds through the door or walls most likely stops or alters the rain of bullets on the crowd below and can be done from cover or at the very least concealment.
There is a zero % chance they did not know what was going on in the street from the radio traffic both from police and casino radios.
It is not an all or nothing situation and these cowards should be publicly shamed.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 7:53 am to cave canem
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is the answer, I would never expect the officers to charge into the face of the gunfire but sending a few rounds through the door or walls most likely stops or alters the rain of bullets on the crowd below and can be done from cover or at the very least concealment.
That is more irresponsible than doing nothing. You do not know if the guy has a hostage. You do not shoot unless you know what you are shooting at, that is the first rule of handling a firearm.
That guys had zero chance given the weapon he probably had and the one used by the criminal. Secure the scene and call for backup is probably the correct procedure.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 8:12 am to FreddieMac
The Romans had it right.
Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.
Heraclitus
The guy in the video is one of the ten. He never should have frozen up like that. Securing the scene and waiting for backup is NOT the proper procedure. Ever since Columbine, police have been taught it is their job to move to the sound of gunfire and engage with the shooter. This is what keeps the shooter from continuing to kill. This officer failed in that and his inaction, as the Senior Officer on scene, led others to stand around as well. Unacceptable.
Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.
Heraclitus
The guy in the video is one of the ten. He never should have frozen up like that. Securing the scene and waiting for backup is NOT the proper procedure. Ever since Columbine, police have been taught it is their job to move to the sound of gunfire and engage with the shooter. This is what keeps the shooter from continuing to kill. This officer failed in that and his inaction, as the Senior Officer on scene, led others to stand around as well. Unacceptable.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 8:18 am to FreddieMac
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That is more irresponsible than doing nothing. You do not know if the guy has a hostage. You do not shoot unless you know what you are shooting at, that is the first rule of handling a firearm.
That is a pretty shortsighted comment, risking the life of a possible hostage SHOULD be a very easy call when the man is raining thousands of rounds down on a concert.
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That guys had zero chance given the weapon he probably had and the one used by the criminal. Secure the scene and call for backup is probably the correct procedure.
Zero chnce to what? No one should have expected them to crash through the door but distracting him is another matter entirely, in fact one against 4 is pretty good odds in their favor despite the fact the one would have a long gun.
Whom exactly where they protecting and serving while cowering in a stairwell? certianly not the unarmed folks running for their lives in the street below, they could have just gone home and watched on TV and have been just as usefull.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 8:25 am to toosleaux
The way I understand it, a policeman’s duty is to protect and serve. There is nothing in protect and serve that says he/she should risk their own life for you. I don’t believe that was ever a part of their job. Their job is not a suicide mission. Anyone who expects a policeman to give up their own life to save another’s life is a narcissist at best and a fool.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 8:36 am to cave canem
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Zero chnce to what? No one should have expected them to crash through the door but distracting him is another matter entirely, in fact one against 4 is pretty good odds in their favor despite the fact the one would have a long gun.
Whom exactly where they protecting and serving while cowering in a stairwell? certianly not the unarmed folks running for their lives in the street below, they could have just gone home and watched on TV and have been just as usefull.
I love all this call-of-duty tactical training be spouted on the OT today. That is such horse shite. You do not fire a gun at what you basically have no knowledge of or cannot see. I mean, if you want to fault the cop for not going into the door, that is one thing, but to criticize him for not throwing blind gun shots into a room is simply stupid.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 8:36 am to Isabelle81
I agree with this. They would have essentially been charging a fixed position that outgunned them.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 9:17 am to toosleaux
But muh police.
But muh Thin Blue Line.
But their job is so hard and dangerous.
Here are Your Heroes people. Now bow and worship.
But muh Thin Blue Line.
But their job is so hard and dangerous.
Here are Your Heroes people. Now bow and worship.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 9:20 am to nola000
I am stunned at the number of people on here defending this guys decision to do nothing.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 9:23 am to Isabelle81
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The way I understand it, a policeman’s duty is to protect and serve. There is nothing in protect and serve that says he/she should risk their own life for you. I don’t believe that was ever a part of their job.
They're under no legal obligation to protect or serve.
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