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re: Madison County, MS sheriff's deputy shoots and kills man UPDATE PAGE 9 - Self defense

Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:28 pm to
Posted by anc
Member since Nov 2012
18212 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:28 pm to
My unpopular opinion:

Law enforcement and the military are full of some of the worst of society. When people say that they won't confiscate guns or turn on the American people, I laugh.

Posted by Dienekes
Rocky Mountain Skies
Member since Aug 2017
75 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:28 pm to
Usually they can if their talking.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:29 pm to
quote:

The state wants cops to be dumb as dirt so they do exactly what they are told or psychopaths that have no problem murdering unarmed civilians. Like the cop that sprayed pepper spray into peaceful protestors sitting down or the cop that murdered the young guy complying and lying down in the hallway of the hotel. These are the type of people that will do the bidding of the state without question.


One problem is that there are alot of the public dumb enough to believe this is true.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:31 pm to
quote:

If there is a good connection the taser completely locks up your body and you really can't move.

K but not for nothing

This sentence

quote:

The guys who get tased again are the ones who keep thrashing around and not listening to commands to stop.


Contradicts your first one.

You can't say, "hey, it locks you up" as some sort of explanation for why my point isn't valid and then in the next breath say, "they keep thrashing around".

Yeah. Sometimes it locks you up.

Sometimes, people react to the pain. And, often, when they do, they get tased again.

Hence.........what the frick are you arguing about. You just admitted that people CAN move in reaction to being tased.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20984 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:31 pm to
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that said you dont shoot someone unless you think your life is in danger.


Well then case closed.

Its not like some govt officials in this country have wayyyyy too much power. What do you think happens when unqualified people have too power?
Posted by JuiceTerry
Roond the Scheme
Member since Apr 2013
40868 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:32 pm to
Cop is really lucky he didn't happen upon one of the badass strapped baws around here

Some dude pulls up behind me and approaches me in the darkness without identifying himself, he's gettin shot first

#Solo
Posted by Crimson1st
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2010
20297 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:32 pm to
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56lsu


quote:

if trump told you to eat a dish of dog crap


...it would be a whole lot better than the BS you spew on here regularly.
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:33 pm to
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Like the cop that sprayed pepper spray into peaceful protestors sitting down


You don't like this? This is GOAT

Posted by Dienekes
Rocky Mountain Skies
Member since Aug 2017
75 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:37 pm to
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Like the cop that sprayed pepper spray into peaceful protestors sitting down


If you're referring to the incident in California those "peaceful" protestors were completely surrounding a group of cops who had just arrested violent protestors. The cop only had two choices;

1. go hands on and potentially injure the protestors or
2. oc a small section so they disperse and create a hole so the cops can get out with the arrests.

The hotel incident is a whole different story and I was completely shocked that the cop didn't get convicted of manslaughter.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:39 pm to
Are you trying to prove some kind of point to me?
Posted by Dienekes
Rocky Mountain Skies
Member since Aug 2017
75 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:39 pm to
Sorry i should have clarified, I meant when the 5 second cycle ends you can move around. Normally not when the cycle is going.

Yes people react to the pain but again once the cycle ends there is no pain or anything. The people who keep thrashing around after that are usually the ones who get hit again.
This post was edited on 6/10/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:42 pm to
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Usually they can if their talking.


And the times they can’t, they die of positional asphyxiation.
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:45 pm to
Don't mind me, just watering my hippie garden
Posted by Dienekes
Rocky Mountain Skies
Member since Aug 2017
75 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:45 pm to
The times that they aren't talking they can't breathe.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20984 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:46 pm to
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One problem is that there are alot of the public dumb enough to believe this is true.


I think the bigger problem is that some people think the penalty for not complying with every order is death, regardless of whether or not the order is legal.

Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20984 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:48 pm to
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Are you trying to prove some kind of point to me?


My point is that simply declaring your life to be in danger shouldnt give you freedom to kill someone.
Posted by theenemy
Member since Oct 2006
13078 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:54 pm to
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My point is that simply declaring your life to be in danger shouldnt give you freedom to kill someone.


It's not.

Reasonably Perceiving your life is in danger allows you to defend yourself whther you are an officer or just a normal citizen.
Posted by BobBoucher
Member since Jan 2008
16874 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:58 pm to
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I think the bigger problem is that some people think the penalty for not complying with every order is death, regardless of whether or not the order is lega


This.

LE has stretched the latitude given them under the term “lethal threat”.

“Well he moved. I interpreted that as a lethal threat reaching for a gun”

By this definition, cops can effectively execute anyone for anything. That’s not how it’s supposed to work.

They need to see a weapon first. If they can’t play by that rule, they shouldn’t have a badge.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35255 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:59 pm to
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Reasonably Perceiving your life is in danger allows you to defend yourself whther you are an officer or just a normal citizen.
Except an officer can use it in situations where it's just completely ridiculous, like the one who shot the guy from across the street after he came out on his porch to see the commotion, and not case any criminal charges.

Yet, a swat team can charge into the wrong house in the middle of the night, on a bit knock warrant, and when the homeowner understandably believes it's a break in and shoots the intruder, he is far more likely to face criminal charges, since it's happened.

It's just ridiculous how this can be used as an excuse when there is no consideration of whether it's even close to reasonable.
Posted by bamafan1001
Member since Jun 2011
15783 posts
Posted on 6/10/18 at 1:59 pm to
I never said it did, nor am I defending anyone in the story. I think we need to wait to get the full story before we start making judgments
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