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L. reuteri ATCC PTA 6475 (probiotic related)

Posted on 5/19/18 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 5/19/18 at 2:54 pm
This is from the blog from the Dr. who is the author of Wheat Belly.

So I have read about this multiple times but mainly ignored it. I figured I would share with the board. For this to be of any benefit you would need to make your own yogurt from a particular bacterium strain. I ordered all necessary equipment and will embark on this experiment personally to see if the benefits are legit.

I think some of these health benefits if legit probably align with just about everyone's goals here whether you're trying to add muscle, lose fat, or who knows what else.

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Here is a summary on the Lactobacillus reuteri yogurt that I have been talking about over several blog posts, all put together for ease.

I’ve been discussing this idea of making yogurt by starting with a specific strain of Lactobacillus reuteri ATCC PTA 6475, based on the detailed studies conducted at MIT and elsewhere, both experimental animal and human, that have suggested dramatic effects. Those effects include:

Complete shut-down of appetite, an “anorexigenic” effect, that can be used to facilitate intermittent fasting or break a weight loss plateau. This, along with an increase in metabolic rate, explain why weight loss results.

Dramatic increase in skin thickness and skin collagen, along with acceleration of skin healing, a surrogate for overall youthfulness and health. I’m a big fan of dietary collagen, such as those provided by collagen hydrolysates, bone broths/soups, slow-cooking meats, eating the skin on chicken and fish, etc. This L. reuteri strategy amplifies this effect considerably.

Increased oxytocin–A doubling of oxytocin blood levels was observed in mice, the effect responsible for the extravagant skin benefits, reduced insulin resistance, dramatic increases in testosterone in males, increased estrogen in females (magnitude unclear), thicker and more plentiful hair (though the consistency of this effect is not yet clear). Other studies have demonstrated substantial weight loss, especially from visceral fat, increased muscle mass, and increased bone density (protection from osteoporosis/osteopenia).



He goes into the methodology of making it in more detail in the link but:
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So we start with L. reuteri ATCC PTA 6475 provided by the Swedish company, BioGaia, who has somehow locked this species up with patents (not sure how; I thought biological organisms were non-patentable). Their product is called Gastrus and combines the ATCC PTA 6475 strain with the DSM 17938 strain. (Just Google “BioGaia Gastrus” to find a retailer.) Problem: There are only 100 million CFUs (live organisms) per tablet. I have not observed any substantial health benefits by ingesting the tablets.

So I have been amplifying bacterial counts by making yogurt. The counts are further increased by performing fermentation in the presence of prebiotic fibers. Just as ingesting prebiotic fibers increases bacterial counts in your intestines, so it goes in making yogurt, as well.

The yogurt is thick, delicious, and contains a marked increase in bacterial counts, though I have not yet performed a formal count. Given the extraordinary thickness of the end-product, it is likely that trillions of CFUs are present, sufficient to convert the soupy liquid of your starting milk, half-and-half, cream, coconut milk or other starter to rich, thick yogurt, sometimes thick enough to stand up on a plate. People who consume 1/2 cup per day of this preparation (mix with blueberries, strawberries, etc.) are reporting the effects listed above. And this yogurt is so much richer and better tasting than products you buy in grocery stores.


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I'm going to fit this into my existing routine using the 1/2 cup daily dosage recommended and will report back to see if anything worth noting happens.
Posted by Lazy But Talented
Member since Aug 2011
14474 posts
Posted on 5/19/18 at 5:38 pm to
Lol I just started taking these last week.

I haven't done the yogurt though.
Posted by Junky
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2005
8395 posts
Posted on 5/19/18 at 5:55 pm to
Though I enjoyed his book, probiotics in gut health have too many variables for just one fix. I am not even sure I believe in probiotics because of the variability. Humans can adapt so easily on a variety of diets - so gut health can vary.

Now, I have my own feelings on diet and fixing gut health. The above is a smorgasbord of ideas from multiple angles.
Posted by tommy2tone1999
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2008
6795 posts
Posted on 5/26/18 at 9:53 am to
Gut biota is an intersting area of study that’s just getting started. I asked my supplement company why they chose not to use strains of Lactobacillus that had a more dramatic effect on regulating blood sugar or helping with weight loss instead of the strains they chose. Their answer was that while some strains had greater effects on those things, they also were more sensitive to changes in environmental conditions which gave them a shorter shelf life such that most if not all of the population was wiped out before the consumer was able to use it. It could be a BS reason, but it makes sense. All I’m saying is that you should also consider how hardy the species is of probiotic you chose as well as the effects it demonstrated in controlled studies.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53122 posts
Posted on 5/30/18 at 6:38 pm to
I just spent 27 bucks on this shite so it better work
Posted by Salmon
On the trails
Member since Feb 2008
83631 posts
Posted on 5/31/18 at 7:39 am to
I'm glad to see a fermentation thread going on here

I tried to start one on the F&DB but it didn't get much traction

I love fermenting...EVERYTHING

I make kombucha, tepache, fermented vegetables, fermented hot sauce, etc

It is so much easier than people think and yes, I'm a strong believer in good gut health, especially the natural way, not taking probiotic pills with most likely dead cultures.

Here is the thread I stared on the F&DB with fermented garlic honey and tepache. Two very easy beginner ferments.

LINK
This post was edited on 5/31/18 at 7:41 am
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
14898 posts
Posted on 5/31/18 at 8:37 pm to
An important thing to do while tying to populate your gut with these new bacteria is to reduce sugar intake as much as possible. I don’t know how resilient this strain is, but regardless, reducing sugar will reduce the pressure from antagonistic bacteria that need sugar to thrive. It will give the new strain a better chance at staying power which could give you a more lasting benefit when you can’t or don’t want to keep making yogurt.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 7/7/21 at 6:29 am to
Is anybody still doing the gurt? Last time I made this was a year ago and I’d like to try it again
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 7/16/21 at 11:08 am to
I'm on day 3. As noted above, my first batch is probably on the low side of CFUs, as I only used two pills to start and let it go only 24 hours.

Definitely feeling positive effects.
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