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Grassley suggests Rosenstein gave Mueller full FISA powers ...
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:01 pm
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@WiredSources
BREAKING: Sen. Chuck Grassley suggests in letter that Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein may have delegated to Robert Mueller the authority to sign FISA warrant requests without having to go through the office of the Attorney General.
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Chatter is Muller authorized the raid himself on Manafort. If all is true then @realDonaldTrump will have no choice but to fire and prosecute them both. Sad day for America.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:02 pm to scrooster
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Chatter is Muller authorized the raid himself on Manafort.
LOCK HIM UP!
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:05 pm to Bunyan
Time to make an example out of these frickers !
More than one has to go to jail
More than one has to go to jail
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:07 pm to TeddyKJB
Give Honest Bob some time. Looks like he might get the whole Trump family.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:10 pm to IrishTiger89
Lol Mueller is giving Trump all the ammunition he needs to end this whole debacle
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:10 pm to scrooster
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Chatter is Muller authorized the raid himself on Manafort. If all is true then @realDonaldTrump will have no choice but to fire and prosecute them both. Sad day for America.
Trump can't prosecute.
What makes anyone think Sessions has the balls to do any of this?
Also, the firing part I understand. But what's the justification for prosecution? Does RR not have the authority to delegate that authority to Mueller?
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:27 pm to starsandstripes
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But what's the justification for prosecution? Does RR not have the authority to delegate that authority to Mueller?
Well, we have to go back some time to the Intelligence Committee Memo, what was that two or three months ago, where Nunes and Gowdy both suggested that unlawful power had been handed to Mueller by Rosenstein regarding the FISA warrant.
A claim Adam Schifforbrains vehemently denied at the time and he threatened that if the memo was used as a reason to fire either of them impeachment would ensue.
Now, with the release of the IG's findings, it would appear that Grassley has now seen proof that indeed, Mueller was handed full FISA warrant REQUEST powers bypassing Sessions without Sessions' knowledge and, if that is the case, then someone is definitely going to jail.
If Sessions steps forward and says he did give Rosenstein permission to grant those powers to Mueller ... it would be unprecedented and it would probably be a violation of at least two of our Rights granted in our Bill of Rights ... unreasonable search and seizure in the Manafort case and the other one I'll leave for the board barristers.
I would imagine some of this might fall under Exicit Circumstances and/or the four doctrines covering a violation of the warrant requirements ... none of which would fit this case, IMHO, with regard to Manafort or the original limitations set on Mueller with regard to the scope of the initial investigation.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:28 pm to scrooster
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Chatter is Muller authorized the raid himself on Manafort. If all is true then @realDonaldTrump will have no choice but to fire and prosecute them both. Sad day for America.
The day Muller gets fired will be a great day for America!!!
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:34 pm to IrishTiger89
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Give honest bob some time and he will get entire Trump family
You wish you melting Snowflake but it’s not going to happen as Americans are waking up as proven but Kanye and Candance Owens.....
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:35 pm to scrooster
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BREAKING: Sen. Chuck Grassley suggests in letter that Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein may have delegated to Robert Mueller the authority to sign FISA warrant requests without having to go through the office of the Attorney General.
The Special Counsel basically has the investigatory powers of the DOJ, so that makes sense. Of course, any request for a FISA warrant would have to be approved by a FISA Court.
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Chatter is Muller authorized the raid himself on Manafort. If all is true then @realDonaldTrump will have no choice but to fire and prosecute them both. Sad day for America.
This person doesn’t understand how warrants work. Mueller has no authority to magically create a warrant to raid the home of a US citizen.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:40 pm to starsandstripes
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Trump can't prosecute.
Theoretically, yes he can.
Everybody in the Justice Department and the FBI is acting with the President's powers and consent to execute and enforce the laws of the United States. It's the same reason why Mueller can't indict Trump.
There's no such thing as AG powers, he's just a subordinate official using the President's power to investigate and prosecute.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:42 pm to VOLhalla
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This person doesn’t understand how warrants work. Mueller has no authority to magically create a warrant to raid the home of a US citizen.
Pretty sure this is what this is all about ... Mueller did indeed sign the warrant REQUEST himself, or so Grassley is claiming, without the AG's or FISA court's approval ... and they used that to raid Manafort's home in the middle of the night.
Correct me if I am wrong but that would be an ill-gotten warrant obtained by Mueller. FISA court requests have to be signed-off on by THE AG ... or possibly an assistant AG at a Federal level, but certainly someone higher-up than the lead attorney attempting to prosecute a case laid out by a superior. Special Councels have superiors too you know ... the system of checks and balances are supposed to always be in place.
Agreed though, Mueller should not have those powers but the Intell Committee alluded to something like this being a possibility way back when they released their memo.
Evidently the IG report now corroborates the claim in the memo ... or so it would seem.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:45 pm to scrooster
Basically the contents of the memo either mean that Mueller should be fired for overstepping his authority or Rosenstein fired for giving Muller that authority.
If I had my way, I’d have all of them shot.
If I had my way, I’d have all of them shot.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:46 pm to scrooster
Nope. Not a FISA warrant. No way to delegate that.
Mueller might have used a national security letter (NSL) which is certified by the Director of the FBI, to collect documents. No court is required to issue a NSL.
Mueller might have used a national security letter (NSL) which is certified by the Director of the FBI, to collect documents. No court is required to issue a NSL.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:55 pm to VOLhalla
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This person doesn’t understand how warrants work. Mueller has no authority to magically create a warrant to raid the home of a US citizen.
hahahahahahahaha
You think these mother fricking back scratching bitches can't find somebody in the club with the authority to do whatever they want?
You must be from way back in the holler
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:03 pm to VOLhalla
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Mueller has no authority to magically create a warrant to raid the home of a US citizen.
Isn't this exactly what happened? I thought docs revealed he raided, then was given authorization later as an oopsie.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:07 pm to scrooster
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Mueller did indeed sign the warrant REQUEST himself, or so Grassley is claiming, without the AG's or FISA court's approval ... and they used that to raid Manafort's home in the middle of the night.
A request for a warrant is filed with the court and is reviewed by a judge, who then decides if there are grounds to actually issue a warrant. If you’re insinuating that Mueller is forging a judge’s signature and creating his own warrants then that’s a pretty explosive charge that needs some kind of evidence to back it up
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FISA court requests have to be signed-off on by THE AG ... or possibly an assistant AG at a Federal level, but certainly someone higher-up than the lead attorney attempting to prosecute a case laid out by a superior.
I’ve never heard of that limitation on FISA warrants, but I’ve never practiced federal criminal defense. But I’ve never heard of someone having to get the AG’s permission to request a warrant - that would basically grind everything to a halt. And the assistant AGs you’re referring to aren’t necessarily some powerful hotshots that oversee everything. They’re mainly your average attorney that does all the work. You can be an assistant AG straight out of law school.
This notion that you have that Mueller would have to ask permission before seeking a warrant from a court is kind of baffling.
ETA: read too quickly and thought you were talking about assistant DAs. My fault - federal assistant attorney generals are a higher position. Still have never heard of anyone having to go through them to seek a warrant though.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 9:10 pm to texridder
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Nope. Not a FISA warrant. No way to delegate that.
Mueller might have used a national security letter (NSL) which is certified by the Director of the FBI, to collect documents. No court is required to issue a NSL
If so then they are even in bigger trouble than they would be with an ill-gotten FISA warrant.
When you evoke NSLs your claiming a national security emergency and claiming absolute proof of collusion with a foreign government ... spying. They didn't even use that tactic against Aldrich Ames or Robert Hanssen.
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