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re: Why not McMillan?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:37 pm to geauxjo
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:37 pm to geauxjo
I wasn’t talking about settling for anything. I was talking about succeeding with the hand we have to play. When you add up the inexperience at QB, WR and RB, we are not going to become an offensive juggernaut this season. There is some talent there, and we should have a wicked defense, so the offense playing ball control is desirable. Maybe we can eventually become an offensive machine, but I don’t think it is likely this year. So the focus should be what gives us the best chance to win games with what we’ve got.
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Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:50 pm to Dave England
He can't make the throws that MB can. I say throw Miles in the fire ... sink or swim
Posted on 4/23/18 at 8:54 pm to moneyg
Exactly... if season started Saturday McMillan would be the best option. He showed command of the O.. He showed good awareness of the pocket and his running lanes. He wked through his progressions and made some good plays with his feet. Tbh I liked what I saw. And it was against the #1 D who happens to be pretty damn good
Posted on 4/23/18 at 9:10 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
Silver moon, you are either 12 or dim witted. You have changed your argument as to why Mcmillan won’t start multiple times in this thread.
First it was cuz O will only play “his guys”. This is a ridiculous premise that doesn’t deserve anymore answers.
Then it was because he wasn’t even good enough to beat out Etling. Which begs the question, which one of our 3 QBs did beat out Etling? None of them? I guess we shouldn’t start a QB since no QB has ever improved before and they are all worse than Etling.
Your third argument is that it’s clear that the two young guys are more talented. To that I give you Brandon Harris, one of the most physically talented QBs that LSU has ever had. Didn’t really help turn him into a good QB though.
And the fourth argument that Brennan beat JM our last year is equally flawed. Do you think it’s possible that they gave Brennan those reps in hopes that he would become the QB of the future only to find out that he’s still a work in progress? Or is it possible that JM picked up the new offense quicker than MB? Or that JM is a better fit in the new offense?
You seem to live in a world of absolutes where nothing ever changes. To you it seems all that ever was, is.
Here’s a dose of reality, all that is around you is in constant change. What is today, might not be tomorrow. Contrary to your belief, JM could definitely start come September and might be our best option.
There’s a lot of time until we play Miami and any of the 3 QBs might win the job but as of 4/23/18, JM is the best QB we have.
First it was cuz O will only play “his guys”. This is a ridiculous premise that doesn’t deserve anymore answers.
Then it was because he wasn’t even good enough to beat out Etling. Which begs the question, which one of our 3 QBs did beat out Etling? None of them? I guess we shouldn’t start a QB since no QB has ever improved before and they are all worse than Etling.
Your third argument is that it’s clear that the two young guys are more talented. To that I give you Brandon Harris, one of the most physically talented QBs that LSU has ever had. Didn’t really help turn him into a good QB though.
And the fourth argument that Brennan beat JM our last year is equally flawed. Do you think it’s possible that they gave Brennan those reps in hopes that he would become the QB of the future only to find out that he’s still a work in progress? Or is it possible that JM picked up the new offense quicker than MB? Or that JM is a better fit in the new offense?
You seem to live in a world of absolutes where nothing ever changes. To you it seems all that ever was, is.
Here’s a dose of reality, all that is around you is in constant change. What is today, might not be tomorrow. Contrary to your belief, JM could definitely start come September and might be our best option.
There’s a lot of time until we play Miami and any of the 3 QBs might win the job but as of 4/23/18, JM is the best QB we have.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:03 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Silver moon, you are either 12 or dim witted. You have changed your argument as to why Mcmillan won’t start multiple times in this thread.
First it was cuz O will only play “his guys”. This is a ridiculous premise that doesn’t deserve anymore answers.
Then it was because he wasn’t even good enough to beat out Etling. Which begs the question, which one of our 3 QBs did beat out Etling? None of them? I guess we shouldn’t start a QB since no QB has ever improved before and they are all worse than Etling.
Your third argument is that it’s clear that the two young guys are more talented. To that I give you Brandon Harris, one of the most physically talented QBs that LSU has ever had. Didn’t really help turn him into a good QB though.
And the fourth argument that Brennan beat JM our last year is equally flawed. Do you think it’s possible that they gave Brennan those reps in hopes that he would become the QB of the future only to find out that he’s still a work in progress? Or is it possible that JM picked up the new offense quicker than MB? Or that JM is a better fit in the new offense?
You seem to live in a world of absolutes where nothing ever changes. To you it seems all that ever was, is.
Here’s a dose of reality, all that is around you is in constant change. What is today, might not be tomorrow. Contrary to your belief, JM could definitely start come September and might be our best option.
There’s a lot of time until we play Miami and any of the 3 QBs might win the job but as of 4/23/18, JM is the best QB we have.
Nah, JM won't start and he isn't the best QB we have right now. It will be Brennan and then Narcisse unless injury or the two of them implode like Jarrett Lee as a RSF. People watch the spring game and draw too many conclusions. It's like the annual Richard Murphy spring game where he runs for +100yds and come the fall he's no better than 3rd on the depth chart.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:36 am to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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Nah, JM won't start and he isn't the best QB we have right now. It will be Brennan and then Narcisse unless injury or the two of them implode like Jarrett Lee as a RSF. People watch the spring game and draw too many conclusions. It's like the annual Richard Murphy spring game where he runs for +100yds and come the fall he's no better than 3rd on the depth chart.
He might not start. But ive been saying he probably best available way before the spring game.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:36 am to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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Nah, JM won't start and he isn't the best QB we have right now.
Based on what? High School rankings?
I'm not trying to say that JM is a lock to start in September but to just write him off after he outplayed the other 2 QBs in the only game like situation we have seen is dumb.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 11:50 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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Based on what? High School rankings?
I'm not trying to say that JM is a lock to start in September but to just write him off after he outplayed the other 2 QBs in the only game like situation we have seen is dumb.
Go back and read the press conference posted stats after the spring scrimmages leading up to the spring game. JM and Narcisse have been terribly inaccurate in those scrimmages. Orgeron said on the field in the spring game that the QB that can execute will be the one that starts. Brennan is the most accurate throwing the ball. He gives us the greatest chance at completing passes and has the highest upside of any of the three when it comes to throwing it.
I think Narcisse is more physical than JM as a runner and he clearly isn't as bad as a passer as JM was earlier in his career when JM was a redshirt freshman like Narcisse is now.
Happy for JM to have played well Saturday and will be glad our #3 QB on the depth chart is an older and experienced option in the event Brennan or Narcisse go down with an injury.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:09 pm to sweetwaterbilly
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Quoting Hanagriff, "He's like a left handed Etling with slightly better wheels."
THat's not that bad...
I would have no issue at all with him starting the first few games and going from there. I don't want to ruin our young QBs if they aren't ready yet.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:11 pm to PortCityTiger24
That’s not good though.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 12:49 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
I can live with that explanation. I still think JM has a chance to win the job but at least you showed the logic to your opinion.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 1:45 pm to ILeaveAtHalftime
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Because he looks about as capable as Anthony Jennings and everyone is really tired of horrendous quarterback play. McMillan would just be another season of games with this stat line: 9/21 137 yards 1TD 1INT
Pumper MA's love them some JM though. He got wheels and swag and can run fast. 
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:01 pm to SammyTiger
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That’s not good though.
Etling was a good QB. He wasn't great
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:08 pm to PortCityTiger24
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THat's not that bad...
I would have no issue at all with him starting the first few games and going from there. I don't want to ruin our young QBs if they aren't ready yet.
In this era of early playing time, young players with massive egos who don't like to sit on the bench.....I think if you start JM, you risk alienating both Brennan and Narcisse camps. One of those QBs has to be the guy you can build around for years ahead. Also, if you start JM against Miami and if JM doesn't win early, then you also alienate the fanbase who will always assume the Brennan/Narcisse talent potential just needs game time to produce results.
Basically, the media would summarize this regime's accomplishments after two years removed from Les Miles as being an offense in year 2 built with Miles' TE Coach and using a depth-chart QB because you couldn't develop either highly rated QB on the roster into a starter with a full two offseasons in your program.
It may not be fair to JM to write him off like that, but Orgeron needs an offense built around Brennan or Narcisse. He can't survive a mediocre season with JM starting, but he could buy himself more time with a mediocre season with Brennan/Narcisse.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:09 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Etling was a good QB. He wasn't great
He was serviceable. Better than Harris who had much more physical talent. Hell Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:14 pm to fallguy_1978
The guy started two years in the SEC and had decent stats. Tough as nails too.
I can't imagine anyone really believing that Etling wasn't good
I can't imagine anyone really believing that Etling wasn't good
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:16 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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Go back and read the press conference posted stats after the spring scrimmages leading up to the spring game. JM and Narcisse have been terribly inaccurate in those scrimmages. Orgeron said on the field in the spring game that the QB that can execute will be the one that starts. Brennan is the most accurate throwing the ball. He gives us the greatest chance at completing passes and has the highest upside of any of the three when it comes to throwing it.
Mcmillian got the most reps in the spring game, and he happened to look the best. I think there is more to the story than stats from closed scrimmages. He will have a good shot at the starting spot.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:19 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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..I think if you start JM, you risk alienating both Brennan and Narcisse camps. One of those QBs has to be the guy you can build around for years ahead. Also, if you start JM against Miami and if JM doesn't win early, then you also alienate the fanbase who will always assume the Brennan/Narcisse talent potential just needs game time to produce results.
First of all, this would be an irrational approach for a coach to take. You start the guy you think will help you to win that game.
Second of all, this is a lose lose situation. You don’t play to the future and also play to the fans perception. When half your fan base wants you gone yesterday, you don’t play for tomorrow. You can’t afford to listen to the fans who want a guy that will need to take his lumps when those same fans will want you gone for not winning every single game.
Bottom line is a coach can’t afford to think that way.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The guy started two years in the SEC and had decent stats. Tough as nails too.
The kid was a decent qb for us. I haven't seen any of the current crop in live games except for Brennan in limited action so I'm not sure what to think. I thought Brandon Harris was the next Donovan McNabb at one point so what do I know?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:21 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The guy started two years in the SEC and had decent stats. Tough as nails too. I can't imagine anyone really believing that Etling wasn't good
This board claims he is not “SEC caliber” while completely ignoring he was statistically better than half the starters in the league. They still don’t realize he was a decent QB
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