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re: Why not McMillan?
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:23 pm to OceanMan
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:23 pm to OceanMan
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Mcmillian got the most reps in the spring game, and he happened to look the best. I think there is more to the story than stats from closed scrimmages. He will have a good shot at the starting spot.
I think McMillan got more snaps in the spring game because he extended drives with his feet and had more plays. Orgeron wasn't running a format that would swap QBs mid-drive. I don't read anything into the results of the spring game about JM.
He will be a depth chart QB and that's great. It worked out well in 2016 when we had an upperclassman on the depth chart in D.Etling for depth and experience to back up B.Harris. But that whole offseason in 2016, B.Harris was the starter and Miles/Cameron went down with Harris' results.
Orgeron will go down or rise up with Brennan/Narcisse results. It won't be risked on JM.
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:26 pm to OceanMan
6 pages and no answer to the OP.
But a lot of confirmation bias and reasons for why LSU is screwed if it is McMillan. Some “fans”
But a lot of confirmation bias and reasons for why LSU is screwed if it is McMillan. Some “fans”
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:28 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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I think McMillan got more snaps in the spring game because he extended drives with his feet and had more plays. Orgeron wasn't running a format that would swap QBs mid-drive. I don't read anything into the results of the spring game about JM.
He started and ended the game which were both coaches choice.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:34 pm to Dave England
Honestly, if McMillan has worked harder and improved more than the other QBs, then good for him. He really deserves to start if that's the case.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:40 pm to OceanMan
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First of all, this would be an irrational approach for a coach to take. You start the guy you think will help you to win that game.
Second of all, this is a lose lose situation. You don’t play to the future and also play to the fans perception. When half your fan base wants you gone yesterday, you don’t play for tomorrow. You can’t afford to listen to the fans who want a guy that will need to take his lumps when those same fans will want you gone for not winning every single game.
Bottom line is a coach can’t afford to think that way.
I don't think Orgeron is making coaching decision purely on fans' or media opinions but he isn't living in a vacuum. He doesn't have the pedigree to lose with JM and survive. I think it is a lose lose situation if Orgeron decided to start JM. That is, unless JM led the team to division title, Orgeron's offensive moves would be viewed as a complete failure.
It is one thing to fire your OC after 1 season and promote a TE coach. It is another if that TE coach can't implement an offensive system or coach up the young QB talent on the roster so that either Brennan or Narcisse can develop into the starter with a whole offseason of preparation.
Maybe that is unfair to JM, but having to start JM would mean that anything less than a Western division title would be viewed as complete roster failure by everyone. Orgeron could have some ups and downs with Brennan/Narcisse if it appears that he made a good hire with Ensminger and installed an offense that was utilizing the young QB talent well.
If you lose with Brennan/Narcisse but the system appears to be installed and effective or at least built for their strengths then you can build on that headed into year 3.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:50 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
I agree with you for the most part.
But I think the reality is that the fan base is irrational and while they may see one of the younger guys as the better option for the future, they will retroactively use it against him if he comes up short. At the end of the day, he will be judged on wins and losses.
I also believe Mcmillan could be a great player which it doesn’t seem like you do. Nothing wrong with that, but it clearly has an effect on perception.
But I think the reality is that the fan base is irrational and while they may see one of the younger guys as the better option for the future, they will retroactively use it against him if he comes up short. At the end of the day, he will be judged on wins and losses.
I also believe Mcmillan could be a great player which it doesn’t seem like you do. Nothing wrong with that, but it clearly has an effect on perception.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 2:57 pm to OceanMan
quote:a "great" player?? Really?? What have you seen to support that belief?
I also believe Mcmillan could be a great player
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:04 pm to OceanMan
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I also believe Mcmillan could be a great player which it doesn’t seem like you do. Nothing wrong with that, but it clearly has an effect on perception.
Yea, I guess I got used to seeing him never better than #3 on the depth chart behind:
2015: Jennings and Harris
2016: Etling and Harris
2017: Etling and Brennan
I mean he's been in the program headed into his 4th season right? And he's never been better than #3. In a year where we are suppose to take a step forward with QB play with the signees of two highly talented HS players now entering their second seasons in the program...you are correct, I do not believe McMillan could be a great player or starter in the SEC.
2018: Brennan and Narcisse
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:15 pm to atltiger6487
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a "great" player?? Really?? What have you seen to support that belief?
First of all I said could be.
But I am basing it off of his competitive edge. People that win typically have superior drive than their competition. He proved to be a winner in high school.
He was never promised anything at LSU. We have not heard a word from him, guys have come and gone from the depth chart but he has done what has been asked of him and has competed the old fashioned way. Now he finds himself as the upper classman and in the mix to be the starter at LSU not because of his talent or default but because of the way he competes and has executed.
He has never had anyone in his ear about transferring, he doesn’t have a “camp”, he hasn’t looked over his shoulder.
Give me a gamer at QB (I think that is what people saw in Lindsey Scott). Give me the guy that knows how to move the chains. Guys that have short memories and know that football is a marathon of individual contests. Those guys win at every single level of football and think Mcmillan has exhibited many of those traits.
Now all that being said, I think the competition is and should wide open, but I will tell you that championship teams have guys like Mcmillan on them, because they are the ones providing internal competition that bleeds over into the games.
I have said before that I was actually encouraged by all the QB performances in different ways.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:17 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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Orgeron will go down or rise up with Brennan/Narcisse results. It won't be risked on JM.
O is going to play the best player available. If JM is the best available he's going to play JM. From what we've seen so far JM looked like the best and most comfortable qb out there. Both Brennan and Narcisse showed flashes here and there, but they also had multiple negative plays.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
No he was a mediocre QB he wasn’t terrible. He just looked good compared to Amy he shite we’ve gotten used to.
He wasn’t a game manager he was managed himself. He was good at doing the few things he was good at doing but limited the type of offense we could run.
He wasn’t a game manager he was managed himself. He was good at doing the few things he was good at doing but limited the type of offense we could run.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:21 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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O is going to play the best player available.
And it will be Brennan or Narcisse. O gets fired if he loses with JM. Sad reality for JM but true. Might get fired regardless, but most likely buys another year.
If he can't install an offensive system that can use either Brennan or Narcisse as the starter then JM would have to lead us to the SECCG for his entire offensive staffing, player development, roster management, etc to not be viewed as a colossal failure.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:27 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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And it will be Brennan or Narcisse. O gets fired if he loses with JM.
O gets fired if he has a bad year period. He's not going to mess around if he knows JM is the best option for the offense. Winning is all that matters. This isn't highschool where the cool kid automatically gets the job.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 3:42 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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O gets fired if he has a bad year period. He's not going to mess around if he knows JM is the best option for the offense. Winning is all that matters. This isn't highschool where the cool kid automatically gets the job
"Winning is all that matters"....clearly not because we hired Orgeron as head coach.
Perception is all that matters. He could have the same record but be perceived as installing an offensive system with his "new" OC that works for Brennan or Narcisse, his young QB talent. He could be perceived as building something in year 2.
Or he could start JM, and he will be perceived as failing to hire an OC who failed to develop his young QB talent to beat out a guy on the roster who has been a perennial #3 depth chart guy.
Perception is all that matters.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:06 pm to higgins
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Just groom LN already.
Did you see some of his passes Saturday? Gonna take a lot more than “grooming” to fix those issues. More like at least a year with a dedicated QB coach.
Of course Myles was a bit of a better passer, but spastic as I don’t know what and weighs 190 pounds in full pads.
At the moment, McMillan would be your starter for sure. He’s the most even keeled and consistent.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:08 pm to Silvermoon_WhereRU
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who failed to develop his young QB talent to beat out a guy on the roster who has been a perennial #3 depth chart guy.
Baker Mayfield was a walk-on at Texas Tech. Development does happen.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 4:08 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:22 pm to The Pirate King
quote:Mayfield started as a true freshman at Texas Tech and threw for 400+ yards and 4 TDs the first game of the season. I think he was just overlooked in recruiting - not some master "development" success by Kingsbury.
Baker Mayfield was a walk-on at Texas Tech. Development does happen.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:39 pm to atltiger6487
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Baker Mayfield was a walk-on at Texas Tech. Development does happen.
If Orgeron can't get a system installed that can leverage Brennan's or Narcisse's talents then it's a failure of Ensminger and of Orgeron. Crash and burn with one of the two of them. Don't limp to a 7 or 8 win season with JM barely throwing for 170yds per game.
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:41 pm to KingwoodLsuFan
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O gets fired if he has a bad year period. He's not going to mess around if he knows JM is the best option for the offense. Winning is all that matters. This isn't highschool where the cool kid automatically gets the job.
That's part of the problem with him. He doesn't have any visions about developing anyone. You don't play well enough, well let's just get a transfer or JUCO here. When does he accept responsibility for developing, or lack of developing in this case?
I believe he's failing Narcisse and especially Brennan. Brennan could've been second year in an offense by now but he ruined that. No one signs up for what Brennan ended up getting. He signs up for Canada's offense then gets the rug pulled from under him.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 4/24/18 at 4:43 pm to The Pirate King
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Just groom LN already.
Did you see some of his passes Saturday? Gonna take a lot more than “grooming” to fix those issues. More like at least a year with a dedicated QB coach.
Narcisse will be number three on the depth chart. He's a very good athlete but I don't see a future for him at QB
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