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Air Conditioning repair estimate. Any thoughts on this price?

Posted on 3/14/18 at 3:50 pm
Posted by Snoopy04
Republic of Texas
Member since Aug 2015
3198 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 3:50 pm
Sorry if wrong board, but figured the outdoor crew would have better insight than the OT...

Apparently I have a leak in the coil, need refrigerant, and repair the filter drier.

The guy gave me an estimate of $950 and when I said I'd get another look he said he'd go down to $800. Is he bending me over the barrel or is that a legit cost estimate?

TIA
Posted by Timmayy
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
1660 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 3:51 pm to
Tank of refrigerant nowadays is expensive but obviously shouldn't take whole tank. Does sound a little hogh
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23280 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 3:59 pm to
If in doubt get a 2nd quote and make sure they know you are getting quotes.
Posted by Chuker
St George, Louisiana
Member since Nov 2015
7544 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 4:03 pm to
quote:

estimate of $950 and when I said I'd get another look he said he'd go down to $800



that doesn't sound very positive.

You know if r22 or 410a? 22 is high as an eagle's eyebrow.
Posted by Snoopy04
Republic of Texas
Member since Aug 2015
3198 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

You know if r22 or 410a?

That I do not know
Posted by kengel2
Team Gun
Member since Mar 2004
33422 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 4:07 pm to
Sounds like a legit price to me for a small outfit.

Had a similar issue and was around $900 something to fox the coils.

See how much it is to just replace the unit. Our was 8 years old, we replaced it for around $2k, but I did some of the grunt work for the guy to help lower costs.
Posted by Success
Member since Sep 2015
1942 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 4:23 pm to
Just went through this with a 22 yo unit. I got estimate from 600 from local company to 2000 for Bryan’s. The deal was though if I fixed it I would need a new unit by 2020 anyway. So I went with a new system and I’m glad it did. Spent 7500 for new 5 ton 16 seer unit plus all new ductwork, additional return added, and platform in the closet rebuilt. It was the 3 lowest estimate out of 4 companies but it was the best deal including warranty.
This post was edited on 3/14/18 at 5:20 pm
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
39317 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 4:47 pm to
quote:

Is he bending me over the barrel

that depends on the number of states he shows you.
Posted by plazadweller
South Georgia
Member since Jul 2011
12172 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 7:57 pm to
Was he going to try and repair the leak? R-22 is $1000 for a 30 gal drum the last time I had it priced. I don’t think few if any companies use it anymore. There are 2 supplemental refrigerants that I’m aware of that are a lot cheaper. I don’t think they work as well as R-22, but theyre a whole lot cheaper. If it’s for your own personal home and the system is greater than say 12 years, I’d replace the system.
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
13305 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:32 pm to
Sounds about right. I have an old heat pump the idiot previous owners of my house had installed upstairs. It has a slow leak and needs recharged every now and then. Like every other year. R22 is expensive. I got a quote for a 4.5 or 5 ton using existing duct work for under $4k. He could tell my house originally had a 4-5 ton and a larger air handler. They had added little extensions of duct work to the returns to connect the smaller cabinet. I know I’ll have to replace in the near future and I’m going back to one larger unit and taking the heat pump out.
Posted by Miketheseventh
Member since Dec 2017
6737 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 10:42 pm to
How old is your unit. R410 didn’t come out until the early 2000’s. I don’t remember the exact year that they started requiring r410
Posted by go_tigres
Member since Sep 2013
5427 posts
Posted on 3/14/18 at 11:06 pm to
First, is he replacing the coil? My personal experience is, always replace the coil if it's leaking. I've not had long term success with a coil repair.

The filter drier is 20 bucks and two soldered lines, tops 20 minutes labor.

R22 is 650/drum, so if he has to completely recharge your system - it's going to be expensive.
Posted by Tiger inTampa
Tampa, FL
Member since Sep 2009
2171 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 6:24 am to
Evaporator coil or condenser coil? How old is the system? If its the condenser coil (outside) and your air handler is in good condition ask him for a price on swapping the entire condensing unit and TXV or metering device in the AHU to facilitate a switch to R410A. It will be more expensive but at least you will not have him back next summer for the "other" leak that will undoubtedly follow.
Posted by wrongRob
Tampa FL
Member since Oct 2017
1246 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 6:34 am to
FL. HVAC Cont. here, Trane dealer

I don't know it all lets get that out of the way.

I'm guessing you have a heat pump? Leaks in the evaporator coil are exposed after a cold winter. When the system is switched back to cooling is when the homeowner seems to notice it isn't working properly.

There are a lot of things to consider before you go forward with the repair.
Refrigerant r-22 or r-410a? this is huge!
Size of the equipment?
Age of the equipment?
How long do you plan to stay in the residence?

Options are plentiful. Providing you get more details Brand name, Model# & Serial#. I would be happy to tell you what I would suggest to my customers here in Tampa.

One poster said "My personal experience is, always replace the coil if it's leaking. I've not had long term success with a coil repair. The filter drier is 20 bucks and two soldered lines, tops 20 minutes labor."

Evap. coil "repair" is risky I agree and would encourage a new coil as well.

He also said a filter drier is a 20 minute job, that's correct if you want to invite moisture into the system. Anytime you open the unit up to the atmosphere you better evacuate the system or you will shorten the life of any system new install or older unit being repaired. Properly evacuating a system takes time.
Posted by convertedtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
2789 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 7:13 am to
Considering that you have little to no knowledge of the current system that you have, this is not a knock on you, Get 3 quotes from REPUTABLE companies before you go forward. Also, educate yourself a bit about what system you have. Many HVAC techs are the laziest folk you will meet and will go with the "easiest", and probably not the best for the customer, fix that sells you equipment and gets them out to the next call. You WILL be paying about 200% markup on parts like filter driers and contactors. If your system is R22, I would replace it. It is only going to cost more and more as the years go by. Dry charged R-22 units are becoming rare as hen's teeth to find and you still will be paying for a can of R-22. At current wholesale costs for R-22, you WILL be paying at least $1000 a 30lb can after markup. R410A is a quarter of that price right now. Added benefit of replacing your system, It will probably be more efficient and comes with a charge of R410 in the condenser. With a line set of around 50', you MAY need about a pound of R410 when they are done. Also, get it done now before the season really cranks up along with the prices. Just my .02


Just an FYI, there is no such thing as "repairing" a filter drier. It gets cut out and replaced.

Once again, educate yourself on what system you currently have. It would be a good idea to get a few folks out to make sure your system is not too big or too small, too big is just as bad as too small, as well. Good luck and I hope it works out for you!
Posted by TexasTiger1984
Houston
Member since Sep 2009
1378 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:35 am to
I have a leak as well and needed 6 pounds. Paid $80 p/lb of R22 two weeks ago in Houston...and that was a 'friend' deal.

And the condenser/coil both need to be replaced. Looking at close to 5k :(
Posted by convertedtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2010
2789 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:58 am to
quote:

Paid $80 p/lb of R22 two weeks ago in Houston...and that was a 'friend' deal.



Your "friend" bent you over a barrel. Wholesale for a small outfit should be about $20-25 per pound for R22. Much less than that if they are a high volume company.
Posted by go_tigres
Member since Sep 2013
5427 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 4:18 pm to
Damn. I'm fortunate in that I sell the equipment and my brother owns an HVAC company.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
29825 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 4:42 pm to
quote:

my brother owns an HVAC company.


Same. there is no better person to have in your family in the heat of summer than a good brother in law.
Posted by Spankum
Miss-sippi
Member since Jan 2007
60220 posts
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:17 pm to
I went through the same shite last summer and can say that the cost quoted looks to be in line with what I was quoted for replacing the inside coil....which is apparently where leaks are located 90% of the time.

My unit was 17 years old and I didn't want to risk spending $1K and still not fixing the issue, so I went ahead and had the whole system replaced with a much more efficient one.

It hurt to pay for the new system, but I really didn't realize how much the old system was struggling to cool the place until I got the new one.
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