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re: I'm a conflicted conservative - I'm pro gun but want more gun control
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:33 am to coondaddy21
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:33 am to coondaddy21
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That may be a naïve thought but I actually believe it will deter these events.
i'd replace naive with foolish. trained police officers can't stop shooting innocent, unarmed people. yet you expect teachers to make the right decisions under that kind of pressure?
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:35 am to Geauxst Writer
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With sincere respect, the US is by-far the mass-murder capital of the world, have 5% of the world population but 50% of citizen guns, and about 92 people a day die from a bullet. We are losing ground which means that we need to experiment with a few things.
First, I believe in the 2nd amendment, but we MUST have a 100% thorough and rigorous 50 state background check and vetting before people can get a gun. The NRA must give some ground. Secondly, and even more stringent, we need to look hard at who can get military weapons such as the AR 15 which is the mass murder weapon of choice in the states.
Our leaders (especially Trump) needs to really start tapping the brakes on merchandising in hate and division which has revved up anger in the US to levels never seen before. No one move will solve our cultue of guns and killing with guns, but we have to start experimenting. We are a nation out of control with gun violence.
gtfo with your logic and reason, ain't nobody got time for that
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:35 am to Geauxst Writer
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as the AR 15 which is the mass murder weapon of choice in the states.
Not really true
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:36 am to TDsngumbo
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Does that make me less of a conservative?
Yes. Pissing on God given rights enumerated in the Constitution is not a conservative position.
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Does the fact that I fully understand that banning AR-15's and the likes would do little to curb events like yesterday but still wouldn't have a single problem with a ban on them make me an embarrassment to the base of the party I align mostly with?
Yes, it does. Turning your back on a Constitutional right that provides security and protection for all Americans, when you acknowledge that doing so will do nothing to fix the problem, is idiotic. The fact that you are also willing to ignore the additional risk you would put the rest of the population in by doing so is an embarrassment, and ignorant.
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Tell me why I should be shunned by members of the party I identify strongly with because I slightly disagree with most of its members on one issue.
This is not a slight disagreement, skippy. You either protect and defend the Constitution and Bill of Rights, or you don't. The 2A is THE right that puts teeth behind all of the others we enjoy. Without the 2A, we would have lost the Constitution and Bill of Rights completely, long ago.
The rest of your post is the same old bullshite we've seen a thousand times. Do away with gun free zones, and protect our kids the same way we protect everything else we hold dear, with guns.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:38 am to TDsngumbo
Your very long and rambling proposal and feelings advocate for the abolishment of the first amendment with government monitoring and regulation of “social media” and and the complete destruction of the 2nd amendment, which I assume means you would also get rid of the 4th amendment in order to implement.
So please spare me the crap about how you are a conservative, or even an American for that matter. You can have exactly what you wish - move to China or Great Britain or Germany.
Your feelings do not replace the Constitution.
So please spare me the crap about how you are a conservative, or even an American for that matter. You can have exactly what you wish - move to China or Great Britain or Germany.
Your feelings do not replace the Constitution.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:38 am to TDsngumbo
I largely agree with what you said. One issue with conservatives is that there is a fear that when (in the future) you get a whacko liberal like Hillary or Biden elected then there is a movement that Christianity is a mental disorder....or at least the fundamentalists.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:38 am to TDsngumbo
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Tell me why
All these types of posts are the same. "I'm a gun loving conservative, but something has to be done. My opinion blah blah blah."
Look buddy, the AR 15 is no more dangerous or deadly than any other gun. Period. Not one of my guns left the house yesterday and went on a mass killing spree. I don't give a damn about your feelings of confliction. It's not my job to convince you of anything. If you don't want an AR 15 then don't have one.
For all of you talking about AR 15 bans, do you think it's time to ban cigarettes? Cigarette smoking causes around 480,000 deaths annually in the US. That a whole lot more than gun deaths in the US. Even if you count suicides in the total (which comprise abut 2/3 of gun deaths).
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:39 am to 10MTNTiger
quote:But... but Muh Feels!
Your feelings do not replace the Constitution.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:43 am to 10MTNTiger
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Your very long and rambling proposal and feelings advocate for the abolishment of the first amendment with government monitoring and regulation of “social media” and and the complete destruction of the 2nd amendment, which I assume means you would also get rid of the 4th amendment in order to implement.
So please spare me the crap about how you are a conservative, or even an American for that matter. You can have exactly what you wish - move to China or Great Britain or Germany.
Your feelings do not replace the Constitution.
Posts like this and posters like you are why no productive conversation or civil discourse take place on this board. Have a downvote.
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Look buddy, the AR 15 is no more dangerous or deadly than any other gun.
I don't even agree with banning the AR-15 platform, but this statement is just dead wrong. Of course the AR-15 is more dangerous than other guns. It's the most customizable weapon in production, and it's the best balance between able shooting at distance, accuracy, speed, and precision. Not to mention, any weapon with a 30rd magazine is "more dangerous" than a weapon with a 10rd magazine. Less time spent re-loading = more time shooting, and 12 gauges don't have the option of mag couplers intended to expedite reloads.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 10:09 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:43 am to Oddibe
When it comes to the high school shootings, I think it would be a good study to look at the commonalities in places like Littleton and now in Florida as well as the other places.
They tend to be in well to do areas and are overwhelmingly white. Littleton is not some podunk town in the Denver area, it's full of white upper middle class people. This place is full of middle class white people. I'm not blaming white people or relatively wealthy white people....just looking at commonalities between the shootings and the communities
You don't see this type of carnage in inner city overwhelmingly minority schools....you just don't
They tend to be in well to do areas and are overwhelmingly white. Littleton is not some podunk town in the Denver area, it's full of white upper middle class people. This place is full of middle class white people. I'm not blaming white people or relatively wealthy white people....just looking at commonalities between the shootings and the communities
You don't see this type of carnage in inner city overwhelmingly minority schools....you just don't
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:44 am to TDsngumbo
Say it with me.
This shooting happened at a facility with 100% prohibition of any guns.
This shooting happened at a facility with 100% prohibition of any guns.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:46 am to KiwiHead
quote:You don't see it in the SCHOOLS, but Chicago has enough carnage on a yearly basis to be labeled a military zone.
You don't see this type of carnage in inner city overwhelmingly minority schools....you just don't
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:48 am to KiwiHead
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When it comes to the high school shootings, I think it would be a good study to look at the commonalities in places like Littleton and now in Florida as well as the other places.
They tend to be in well to do areas and are overwhelmingly white. Littleton is not some podunk town in the Denver area, it's full of white upper middle class people. This place is full of middle class white people. I'm not blaming white people or relatively wealthy white people....just looking at commonalities between the shootings and the communities
I agree. I'm not sure where those commonalities get us with regard to fixing this problem, but it's certainly a worthwhile discussion that's largely overlooked imo.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:50 am to winston318
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If the military decides to come and get you, you have 2 options. Either surrender or die
That sounds like a compelling argument for LESS gun control.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:52 am to TDsngumbo
Do you RA when people bully rex or toddy?
Do you comment upon the ad hominem piling on?
Do you comment upon the ad hominem piling on?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:53 am to TDsngumbo
There's nothing to figure out. The problem isn't about guns or even mental illness. It's a moral problem.
We as a society have worked very, very hard to throw God out of the public square over the last half of a century and then wonder where He went as these shootings happen. Children are being raised to believe that nothing exists but this life and there is no comeuppance in another life after this one. Whatever we do will either be remembered here on earth after we die or it won't, but there's nothing to hope for or look forward to. There's no objective reason to be "good", to treat our neighbors with dignity, respect, or just plain kindness. Life doesn't have inherent value and truth, itself, is subjective.
With all of that, it's no wonder that more and more people have such a low view of life (even their own) that they don't mind taking it from others.
A person who wants to kill others will find ways to do it unless their moral compass is reset.
We as a society have worked very, very hard to throw God out of the public square over the last half of a century and then wonder where He went as these shootings happen. Children are being raised to believe that nothing exists but this life and there is no comeuppance in another life after this one. Whatever we do will either be remembered here on earth after we die or it won't, but there's nothing to hope for or look forward to. There's no objective reason to be "good", to treat our neighbors with dignity, respect, or just plain kindness. Life doesn't have inherent value and truth, itself, is subjective.
With all of that, it's no wonder that more and more people have such a low view of life (even their own) that they don't mind taking it from others.
A person who wants to kill others will find ways to do it unless their moral compass is reset.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:54 am to TDsngumbo
I am conservative and gun neutral. I want guns out of the hands of bad people. The vast majority of all the gun murders that happen are the result of a person illegally obtaining a firearm.
The VAST MAJORITY of gun crimes are caused by folks that DONT FOLLOW the LAW! More LAWS won’t solve that problem! We need to better enforce the laws we have and SEVERELY punish those who have an illegal firearm in their possession.
The VAST MAJORITY of gun crimes are caused by folks that DONT FOLLOW the LAW! More LAWS won’t solve that problem! We need to better enforce the laws we have and SEVERELY punish those who have an illegal firearm in their possession.
This post was edited on 2/15/18 at 9:56 am
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:56 am to winston318
Is there nothing you are willing to die for. If you surrender your liberty for safety you soon will have neither.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:56 am to atom1505
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Of course the AR-15 is more dangerous than other guns. It's the most customizable weapon in production, and it's the best balance between able shooting at distance, accuracy, speed, and precision. Not to mention, any weapon with a 30rd magazine is "more dangerous" than a weapon with a 10rd magazine. Less time spent re-loading = more time shooting, and 12 gauges don't come don't have the option of mag couplers intended to expedite reloads.
Which is precisely why it is the best tool available for protecting and defending your loved ones against all threats, foreign and domestic, which is exactly what the 2A is in the Bill of Rights to do.
Would you posit that we have the right to free speech, but not via the most effective and efficient means of exercising that right?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 9:56 am to FooManChoo
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We as a society have worked very, very hard to throw God out of the public square over the last half of a century and then wonder where He went as these shootings happen. Children are being raised to believe that nothing exists but this life and there is no comeuppance in another life after this one. Whatever we do will either be remembered here on earth after we die or it won't, but there's nothing to hope for or look forward to. There's no objective reason to be "good", to treat our neighbors with dignity, respect, or just plain kindness. Life doesn't have inherent value and truth, itself, is subjective.
While I don't disagree with you, and I too lament the lack of morality in our country, I believe it short-sighted to think that "bringing God back" would fix all of these problems. People have always been evil. Wars were waged and millions of people were massacred throughout history because of evil men, long before the last half of the last century transpired..
I agree that the value of human life has been belittled to the point of non-existence in a lot of instances, but I also believe that the solution to this problem is highly complex. There is not "one" problem - there are many, and most of them are multi-faceted.
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