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re: How one can even start to discuss this shooting w/o accepting the following FACTS?
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:36 am to SidewalkDawg
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:36 am to SidewalkDawg
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Lay this all at Columbine's feet. The media made twisted martyrs of Klebold and Harris. We couldn't get enough of the coverage - we had to know EVERYTHING.
The rejected and the twisted noticed this as well.
This. I think the 24hr media coverage of these mass shootings/murders has more to do with it than anything. The media covers every possible angle/motive and story attached to these shootings so you know everthing that happened. Also unfortunately, if you are a crazy person with mental issues, you get a step by step how to, on how to carry out a school shooting. What works, doesn't work. What to use ext.. I am not surprised at any mass shooting now. I just sit there and wait to hear when the next one happens, because you know it's coming.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:36 am to ShortyRob
IMO, high profile murders have shifted from serial killers to mass shooters.
Serial killers are having a bad time right now because everyone is connected...and can be tracked pretty easily. And since serial killers don't want to get caught, they are turning into unicorns.
Mass shooters now have the limelight. Instant gratification coupled with mental disorders and relative anonymity up until the act makes for the perfect time bomb
Serial killers are having a bad time right now because everyone is connected...and can be tracked pretty easily. And since serial killers don't want to get caught, they are turning into unicorns.
Mass shooters now have the limelight. Instant gratification coupled with mental disorders and relative anonymity up until the act makes for the perfect time bomb
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:37 am to SidewalkDawg
But mentally unhinged used to be institutionalized at a far greater rate than they are today. I don’t know when that changed though
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:37 am to TROLA
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But that’s all the anti gun people want to talk about.. There is something deeper going on but those questions run averse to your talking points..
Yep. Instead, he just comes in and shits himself in the thread.
frick people like him.
My thread didn't seek to diminish ANYTHING about those wanting more gun control.
It's asking an entirely different and what should be relevant question that I'm fascinated that we avoid.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:38 am to Yak
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IMO, high profile murders have shifted from serial killers to mass shooters. Serial killers are having a bad time right now because everyone is connected...and can be tracked pretty easily. And since serial killers don't want to get caught, they are turning into unicorns. Mass shooters now have the limelight. Instant gratification coupled with mental disorders and relative anonymity up until the act makes for the perfect time bomb
Interesting take.
Not one that I'd thought much about.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:41 am to ShortyRob
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Latchkey kids were MORE common decades ago. Parents were FAR more comfortable leaving younger kids to manage themselves a few hours here and there
You’re right in that younger kids are no longer acceptable latchkey but once they hit 12-13, people don’t seem to mind.. that to me is the crucial age as they grow into their teens.. I see it with my own kids and their friends as they begin to grow into adulthood and don’t understand the world around them because it’s so vast thanks to our technology.. when I grew up it was more insular and community based.. Kids today can get lost so easily behind their tech.. I don’t know, so many variables to this that need to be discussed and researched..
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:42 am to Oilfieldbiology
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But mentally unhinged used to be institutionalized at a far greater rate than they are today. I don’t know when that changed though
Mental health reform occurred in the 1980s, partly as a result of the improvement in treatments. The number of acutely ill people who are admitted to psychiatric hospitals has actually increased. What has changed is that more patients become stabilized much faster and are able to avoid relapse for longer periods of time. As I explained in another thread, people with acute psychosis or major depression or mania are not committing most of these acts.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:44 am to ShortyRob
quote:If you think about it, when's the last time you had a serial killer take over the news?
Interesting take.
Not one that I'd thought much about.
Mass shooters on the other hand, they make the news almost weekly. And it's a combination of a few things:
-Mental disorder
-Gained confidence in a digital world where you can be anyone
-Desensitized from years of seeing whatever you want to on the internet
-Instant gratification of your work on display
This has all happened within the last 10 or so years.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:46 am to TROLA
quote:I've been violating modern latchkey silliness for quite some time.
You’re right in that younger kids are no longer acceptable latchkey but once they hit 12-13,
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that to me is the crucial age as they grow into their teens.. I see it with my own kids and their friends as they begin to grow into adulthood and don’t understand the world around them because it’s so vast thanks to our technology.. when I grew up it was more insular and community based.. Kids today can get lost so easily behind their tech.. I don’t know, so many variables to this that need to be discussed and researched..
I would argue that a fundamental break in parenting philosophy revolves around the whole "they're not ready for X" thinking.
People raise children as if there are some fricking magic moments instead of just linear development.
I'm always like, "oh, you can punish them for that when they are 4, but, boy, when they're 5 they're gonna get it huh!!!".
There's an old aphorism that is very true. It's got variations. The original is "Give me the child for the first seven years and I will give you the man."
I prefer "Give me a child until he's seven and anyone else may have them thereafter".
Those teens who aren't equipped? Yeah. They aren't equipped because by the time someone thought, "oh, they're old enough to START X"......it was too fricking late.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:47 am to Masterag
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this is demonstrably false. when have you ever heard of someone knifing or clubbing 17 people to death?
Knife-wielding attackers kill 29, injure 130 at China train station
33 Dead, 130 Injured in China Knife-Wielding Spree
15 injured in Columbine-inspired knife attack at Russian school
Fifty killed in a knife attack at a Chinese colliery
Knife massacre in Chinese railway station leaves 34 dead
Finland stabbings: Turku killings being investigated as terror attack, police say
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:48 am to Yak
That’s a valid point but serial killers are usually scratching an itch that they believe can be controlled by the occasionally scratch, sometimes this manifests itself in a sexual manner but not all the time.. I do see guys like the recent BR killer as what you describe.. he choose to be a type of tweener but was more inline with a mass shooter than a serial.. I guess a spree killer type
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Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:50 am to Taxing Authority
I think that's a great point, but look at what is eroding the family, parenting etc. The increase in "mental health" disorders, the increase in mass killings, all started in the 90s. The rise of the internet started in the 90s.
The internet is one of the best and worst things to ever happen to humanity. It has given us access to things that we have never had before. It has provided shared ideas, and advancements in Science and Technology.
But it is unregualated and unfettered. Every single person has a voice now. Parents are parenting through social media. You go to a restaurant and you have mom and dad on their phones, and kids on ipads. No one communicates anymore. I am a teacher. My students can't write, can't communicate effectively.
The problem with this is there is no solution. I hate guns and don't own one. Gun regulation isn't the answer. We are treating mental health more effectively than ever before. What is the common theme. The internet, the ability to parent through computers, the popularity/fame factor that the internet can provide, and the unfettered access that anyone can have. If a 9 year old wants to get on an adult site, they click a link that says they are over 18. SHould the parent be watching them and checkign on them? Sure. But the parent is too busy checking his/her instagram account.
It is a complete breakdown in how we operate as a society. We don't talk or interact. We don't have family dinners. We put kids on Ipads so we don't have to parent or teach or converse. And unless the internet goes bye-bye, every other solution is just a talking point. The family unit isn't going to improve; it will continue to erode.
The internet is one of the best and worst things to ever happen to humanity. It has given us access to things that we have never had before. It has provided shared ideas, and advancements in Science and Technology.
But it is unregualated and unfettered. Every single person has a voice now. Parents are parenting through social media. You go to a restaurant and you have mom and dad on their phones, and kids on ipads. No one communicates anymore. I am a teacher. My students can't write, can't communicate effectively.
The problem with this is there is no solution. I hate guns and don't own one. Gun regulation isn't the answer. We are treating mental health more effectively than ever before. What is the common theme. The internet, the ability to parent through computers, the popularity/fame factor that the internet can provide, and the unfettered access that anyone can have. If a 9 year old wants to get on an adult site, they click a link that says they are over 18. SHould the parent be watching them and checkign on them? Sure. But the parent is too busy checking his/her instagram account.
It is a complete breakdown in how we operate as a society. We don't talk or interact. We don't have family dinners. We put kids on Ipads so we don't have to parent or teach or converse. And unless the internet goes bye-bye, every other solution is just a talking point. The family unit isn't going to improve; it will continue to erode.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:50 am to TROLA
quote:And that's another point...you can literally see whatever you want on the internet. These future serial killers may very well be scratching that itch by viewing it online, which could also be lowering the amount of serial killers as well
That’s a valid point but serial killers are usually scratching an itch that they believe can be controlled by the occasionally scratch, sometimes this manifests itself in a sexual manner but not all the time
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:50 am to BIGJLAW
quote:Yes, that does happen (it's actually weird that the terrorists seem to have only recent caught on to the concept.) But I think it's silly to think there would be an equal number of vehicle mass slaughters in schools or anywhere if there were magically no guns. The prevalence of so many guns is at least PART of the equation. It's the NRA's complete unwillingness to acknowledge that that makes them unreasonable. I don't see why they can't just say it. It doesn't really give anything away.
Guess you don't watch the news where people are taking vehicles and running people over in large crowds.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:51 am to ShortyRob
quote:Nothing worse than parents that say “Johnny is 12 you have to start taking responsibility”. What have you doing the last 12 years? Little Johnny has 12 years experience doing it wrong, and now you demand a complete turn around?
I'm always like, "oh, you can punish them for that when they are 4, but, boy, when they're 5 they're gonna get it huh!!!".
quote:I spend.l A LOT of time with my daughter. I’m amazed at how many parents don’t. And when they do, they are staring at their iPhone doubtlessly posting mommy memes to Facebook.
There's an old aphorism that is very true. It's got variations. The original is "Give me the child for the first seven years and I will give you the man."
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:51 am to TROLA
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The gun may be the means to the end but isn’t the reason why
Well we could start by asking why congress lets nutjobs buy guns?
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President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.
Oh wait. Donald. Does no wrong.
You don't want to have a conversation.
Just bury the dead, say a few prayers. The next mass shooting is just weeks away.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:57 am to asurob1
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Well we could start by asking why congress lets nutjobs buy guns?
I take it you bought a gun.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 10:59 am to Yak
I can remember never really seeing any type of death until later in high school when someone got a copy of Faces of Death on vhs.. that shite is tame compared to what my 8 year old could dig up on an ipad even with parental controls.. It’s an odd time to grow up and while certainly the good outweighs the bad IMO, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look at the bad..
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:04 am to ShortyRob
Man will always be evil. There is just different degrees.
I don't think taking guns away makes one less evil. I mean, the person still has the evil thoughts regardless of the tool they use to put the evil thought into practice.
Give an evil man any avenue and he will commit evil regardless of laws put in place.
After all, criminals don't follow laws.
I don't think taking guns away makes one less evil. I mean, the person still has the evil thoughts regardless of the tool they use to put the evil thought into practice.
Give an evil man any avenue and he will commit evil regardless of laws put in place.
After all, criminals don't follow laws.
Posted on 2/15/18 at 11:06 am to TROLA
quote:Oh I'm not trying to discredit anything believe me. We are living in an amazing time where technology is changing us by the day...good and bad.
It’s an odd time to grow up and while certainly the good outweighs the bad IMO, that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t look at the bad..
I just find it fascinating how this shift has taken place
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