re: How one can even start to discuss this shooting w/o accepting the following FACTS?

Times are completely different. For all the people who debate spankings, I think this is a valid point of argument. Kids nowadays are disciplined with hugs and candy. 80's kids and before were disciplined with an iron fist from mom and dad. There's a huge fall off in the makeup of the modern family. Divorce rate is through the roof, children are had out of wedlock with no family built around them. Kids raise themselves with the help of tv and social media.

Simply, you can't compare stats from pre 1990 to today's, its a completely different world.

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The evil we are seeing on the rise is not an overall rise in violence, it’s the rise in a callousness and total disregard for human life.

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So your argument is that a "rise in callousness and total disregard for human life" doesn't cause an overall rise in violence, but does cause a very specific rise in a very specific kind of mass murder? Seems like a poor argument.

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Oh I've caught my breath. Nothing will happen. I'm sad that it's the way we've become in this country but I've accepted it. The guns won and I'm not standing in their way.

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Oh stop it. You have already proven your ignorance.

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So your argument is that a "rise in callousness and total disregard for human life" doesn't cause an overall rise in violence, but does cause a very specific rise in a very specific kind of mass murder? Seems like a poor argument.

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See man.

Once in a blue moon, you and I are on the same wavelength.

You may need a shower.

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Everybody says "Treat the mental illness", etc. That obviously isn't doing shite

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we haven't done ANYTHING in this regard. i'm talking about a nationwide comprehensive program to identify mental illness and prevent those people from getting weapons. nothing has been done in this regard. in fact, the left doesn't even want to talk about it. they're too busy demonizing the inanimate objects used in the killings

I edited to add on my OP.

I think everyone needs to back up for a second.

My point is.........even if you 100% eliminated their access to things to kill people........we have a VERY fricking significant social phenomenon that STILL exists.

It's a damned elephant in the room.

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Oh stop it. You have already proven your ignorance.

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How? Because I've accepted the fact that the gun lobby will never be stopped? If anything, it sounds like you've proven your ignorance to think anything will ever change. If you want anything to change.

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Oh. I think it's FAR deeper than just the Education system.

Remember. For all our griping about our education system, much of the shite they are doing is because of what parents demand.

I think what we consider accepted parenting standards today is fricked up personally. I've been saying that for 30 years. And this isn't just old guy talkin cause this old guy has two little ones NOW.

My children's peers are LIGHT YEARS behind them socially. And even then, I'm in a constant battle with what is "accepted/acceptable" around me.

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We can all agree that the people who commit these crimes are mentally unhinged. There is no doubt. We can argue the causes of the derangement all day.

What we can notice as a society is that these unhinged are attracted to a specific activity that before 1990's was rare. Shitty parents have always existed. Mentally unhinged have always existed. Guns have always been prevalent in our society. What happened in the 1990's to account for this increase in frequency?

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Statistics for violent crime as a whole have dropped significantly over the last 40 years.

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Only following a meteoric increase the preceeding 15 years or so: FBI UCS Crime Reports 1960-2016 (scroll down for rates per 100,000 population)

I find this data particularly interesting, since I was born in 1960. The odds of being murdered are about the same now as then, but a lot of that is related to the advanced medical technology keeping people alive following violent assaults that would have killed them 58 years ago. In comparison, check out the rates for other forms of violent crime:

Armed robbery: 58% increase
Aggravated assault: 288% increase
Forcible rape: 308% increase

The bad news is that there has been a recent uptick in all of these crimes in the last 3 years. Hopefully it doesn't become a trend.

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We know what is going on. We have a breakdown in the family, higher incidence of divorce, the removal of social stigma to anti-social parental behavior, and a crazy amount of single parents. We also have a higher labor participation rate for mothers (which makes SJWs have a sad, but data don't lie). We don't want to acknowledge that this breakdown fed a social crisis. Look at any cause that is dear to your heart and control for single parent families, it is scary what it has done to children.

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and people like coulter get shouted down for merely stating the statistics on this matter. those stats match judeo-Christian values so they have to be suppressed or ignored. leftists just don't want to listen to reason.

50 years ago this kind of thing was virtually unheard of. we carried guns in our gun racks of unlocked vehicles to school for crying out loud. what changed? the death of the nuclear family and the demise of the Christian church. no, no, no. it's these brand new weapons that make people go insane for just looking at them. AVERT YOUR EYES. IT'S A DEMON.