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re: Church Celebrates Transgender Pastor's Transition With 'Renaming' Ceremony
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:58 am to TBoy
Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:58 am to TBoy
quote:Nothing with the word "all" is giving me any trouble whatsoever.
What part of "all" is giving you trouble?
quote:Unfortunately, how individual congregations and larger groups of churches act reflects on the Church and the Faith as a whole.
And if this church wants to do this, what business is it of ours?
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 11:58 am to bfniii
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this is a good point. many people are just like this. they are rejecting traditional institutional churches in favor of non denominational. many of those churches are growing and thriving
Many people also choosing to just be spiritual and not religious. But I don't know what that has to do with politics, very confusing.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:02 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:are you talking about biblical prophecy? if so, which prophecy specifically are you talking about?
Interesting how all the foretellings are vague, ambiguous and general enough to always be interpreted as true
quote:oh here we go. first, you can't prove what you're saying yet, you feel justified enough to use this as some sort of basis for a conclusion. second, you're wrong. there would definitely be people who would reject it and there are plenty of examples today of people who reject commonsense things.
Every single person alive today would be a Christian if the Bible said a guy named Hitler would invade a place called Poland on September 1st, 1939 at 4:40 AM. Lay out one such prediction per generation in your 2000 year old inspired text and God never has to worry about anyone going to hell
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:02 pm to FooManChoo
quote:
Church Celebrates Transgender Pastor's Transition With 'Renaming' Ceremony by FooManChoo
Take the time to listen, here’s a very successful businesswoman, ex-lesbian Charlene Cothran letting everyone know that the gay lifestyle is a sham. She also gives insight into the methods the LGBT....XYZ leadership is using to infiltrate all segments of society.
Charlene Cothran spills da beans on the LGBT BS!
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:27 pm to Jokey1968
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The church just keeps eroding away.
Not quickly enough.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:36 pm to FooManChoo
So long as the pastor is an adult I couldn't care less. While I think its silly I'm a libertarian and he can frick up his life however he sees fit so long as no one else is harmed in the process.
That said, stay away from children. Do not involve children in this bullshite.
That said, stay away from children. Do not involve children in this bullshite.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:42 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:You go on to equate what Luther said to what Hitler said/did when by your own admission the two men had different contexts to draw upon. Luther didn't see people in terms of "race" like Hitler did. He only cared about the truth of the faith, and he saw Jews the same way he saw papists (catholics), anabaptists (protestant "baptists", as we call them today) and even "Turks" (Muslims). In his mind, there were only two types of people: those who believed like him and those who didn't.
The concept of race didn't even exist yet in the 16th century
He didn't hate Jews for being Jews (racially). He hated their beliefs and wanted them to repent and believe in Jesus Christ. It's the same attitude he had towards everyone else during his time. He wasn't an antisemitic as we view the term today, but he was an equal opportunity offender of all faiths contrary to his own, including Judaism.
quote:Execution? For blasphemy, perhaps, as was common with the battles between the protestants and the catholics. The quotes you provided about razing houses, schools, and synagogues were all within the context of their religious faith. Luther read the Talmud where it severely blasphemed Jesus and he took such offense to it that he (over)reacted by wanting them expelled from his homeland. He didn't advocate Jews to be killed for existing (like Hitler did), but he wanted them to repent of their blasphemous religion and believe in Jesus. They would have been warmly welcomed by Luther if they abandoned religious Judaism and embraced Luther's beliefs.
By his last decade of life Luther was advocating for the exile or execution of every Jew in Europe. If that sounds familiar it should. You can play word games all you'd like.
quote:Speculation is fun.
Nah, he probably just had neurosyphilis in his later years. But then again so did Pope Julius.
quote:Luther did have many hold-over beliefs from Catholicism but so do Protestants today. Protestants aren't completely dissimilar from Roman Catholics.
He asked for a priest to conduct confession and last rites. Now this isn't surprising as, contrary to Protestant belief, Martin Luther always believed in the vast majority of catholic doctrine and trusted in the sacraments. What is odd is that it was the first time in years he'd done so.
I've read a lot of biographies and works of Luther (including some from Roman Catholics) and never heard that he returned to Catholicism or that he requested a priest on his death bed to give him absolution. I had to look up this claim and even found a Roman Catholic forum disputing it.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:45 pm to FooManChoo
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A new inquisition is long overdue.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:46 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:Very interesting. Rosaria Butterfield is in the same boat. Former practicing lesbian who goes around talking about the evils of homosexuality and how Christ can save people from it.
Bass Tiger
Posted on 2/12/18 at 12:49 pm to bfniii
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many people are just like this. they are rejecting traditional institutional churches in favor of non denominational. many of those churches are growing and thriving
My church is very traditional, and it is growing/thriving.
If growing/thriving is the benchmark, then the church is more than likely not doing what it is supposed to do - preach the Gospel and bring people to God.
Churches like the one in the OP may be getting a lot of attention, but if it isn't telling those living lifestyles that are an abomination in the sight of God that they are, indeed, sinning, then the church is not doing its job.
Should the church quit preaching the Ten Commandments so as not to offend the thieves, liars, adulterers, murderers, etc? Of course not, so why is it making exceptions for homosexuals and other sexual deviants?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:12 pm to mtntiger
quote:i'm not sure i would put it that way. there are plenty of evangelical churches who are reaching people for Christ that are growing and thriving. the primary reason is because God blesses those efforts whereas God, in general, does not bless churches like in the op. apostate churches might have some temporary success but the bill usually comes due and it's usually ugly
If growing/thriving is the benchmark, then the church is more than likely not doing what it is supposed to do - preach the Gospel and bring people to God
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:18 pm to Salmon
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what is the biblical stance on transgenderism?
Considering a wheel barrow would have been a technological marvel in Biblical times it is why you can't take The Bible as a literal work. It is too outdated and archaic for modern society.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:26 pm to Jake_LaMotta
quote:Do you deny that the Bible lays out concepts that can be applied to people across history and geography?
Considering a wheel barrow would have been a technological marvel in Biblical times it is why you can't take The Bible as a literal work. It is too outdated and archaic for modern society.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:44 pm to FooManChoo
Look at the crazy eyes on that thing
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:50 pm to Big_Sur
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But I don't know what that has to do with politics, very confusing.
What exactly are you confused about?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 1:54 pm to FooManChoo
Simply ask them "so God made a mistake with you, and you thought it was up to you to know better....got it"
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:22 pm to TigerBait1971
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You are not alone, brother.
Count me in among this crowd.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 2:35 pm to bfniii
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apostate churches might have some temporary success but the bill usually comes due and it's usually ugly
Bingo (apologies to my Catholic brethren, LOL).
Churches are supposed to be 'rocks' that change little, so people can always know 'the way.' Churches that bend to the will of the people are only getting their members more lost.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 3:59 pm to Jake_LaMotta
quote:why not? they recorded what they observed in the phenomenological language of the day. iow, they accurately recorded history as they understood it. your statement is called the tyranny of the present. you are retrojecting modern historiographical methods and standards for accuracy on the past and indicting them for not meeting those standards, which is clearly a fallacy. second, is there something in particular in the Bible that you think is not historically accurate?
you can't take The Bible as a literal work. It is too outdated and archaic for modern society
it's amazing that people think these "errors" haven't been explained countless times over the course of centuries. like we just discovered a new error that has never been accounted for before.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 5:16 pm to FooManChoo
Well I guess that is one way of getting around 1 Corinthians 14:34.
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