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re: Church Celebrates Transgender Pastor's Transition With 'Renaming' Ceremony
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:35 pm to FooManChoo
Posted on 2/12/18 at 7:35 pm to FooManChoo
My Lutheran church is wayyyyy more traditional. This would never happen there.
It feels like the gay community is becoming successful in marginalizing traditional Christianity.
More than the origin of the universe and the beginning of mankind....the gay issue seems to be driving a wedge. People all know someone or have a family member who is gay. It surrounds us now more so than ever in the past.
Nobody wishes for them to be gay or for them to have a disposition that is called sinful by the Word of God. It is a tough problem. Should gays be single forever? Hard to tell anyone that.
And then we compare it to drunkards and coveting actions and it's all in the same passage. And we are all guilty and still hold onto some pet sins most likely that we repent for but never quit.
The difference is no one is asking God to bless a drunken party or to bless a porn session. But folks are having gay weddings. And there are gay pastors and now trans.
Crazy times.
It feels like the gay community is becoming successful in marginalizing traditional Christianity.
More than the origin of the universe and the beginning of mankind....the gay issue seems to be driving a wedge. People all know someone or have a family member who is gay. It surrounds us now more so than ever in the past.
Nobody wishes for them to be gay or for them to have a disposition that is called sinful by the Word of God. It is a tough problem. Should gays be single forever? Hard to tell anyone that.
And then we compare it to drunkards and coveting actions and it's all in the same passage. And we are all guilty and still hold onto some pet sins most likely that we repent for but never quit.
The difference is no one is asking God to bless a drunken party or to bless a porn session. But folks are having gay weddings. And there are gay pastors and now trans.
Crazy times.
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Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:22 pm to Bass Tiger
Wow.
Thank you for sharing that link.
The most impressive gay to Christian testimony I have ever seen!
Thank you for sharing that link.
The most impressive gay to Christian testimony I have ever seen!
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:33 pm to crazyatthecamp
quote:
The difference is no one is asking God to bless a drunken party or to bless a porn session. But folks are having gay weddings. And there are gay pastors and now trans.
You're pretty spot on here. I know I'm a sinner, and I ask forgiveness for my sins.
I would never have the gall to tell my pastor that my lies aren't really sins, or the things I stole at work were the same as if they were loaned to me.
The gays demand that the church not only ignores their sins but now actively celebrates them.
Sorry. Can't do that.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:54 pm to mtntiger
By the same token many no-fault divorcees are remarried and ask the church to officiate, celebrate and approve their sin. According to the Bible, every last one of them is an active adulterer.
I never heard a sermon in that on over 20 years of church attendance. I knew a lot of remarried church elders, though.
Weird
I never heard a sermon in that on over 20 years of church attendance. I knew a lot of remarried church elders, though.
Weird
Posted on 2/12/18 at 8:55 pm to FooManChoo
how do you know this wasn't part of god's plan?
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:02 pm to FooManChoo
What's the point of even calling it a church if they refuse to follow the instructions of God?
I realize that some scripitural teachings are open to some interpretations, but this instance isn't one of them.
I realize that some scripitural teachings are open to some interpretations, but this instance isn't one of them.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:02 pm to FooManChoo
*Before opening the thread*
“frick, the Episcopalians did it again. How the frick am I going to defend-“
*Opens Thread*
“Thank God it’s the Lutherans! I don’t have to go on the defensive for once! frick the Lutherans for this!”
“frick, the Episcopalians did it again. How the frick am I going to defend-“
*Opens Thread*
“Thank God it’s the Lutherans! I don’t have to go on the defensive for once! frick the Lutherans for this!”
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:10 pm to Revelator
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What's the point of even calling it a church if they refuse to follow the instructions of God?
EVERY church (that I'm aware of) has things they emphasize/enforce and things they ignore. Even the catholic church, which has all their old rules and dogma still on file, just turns a blind eye to much of it.
Like I said above, among American evangelical churches the biggest culprit is no-fault divorce. They emphasize that active, unrepentant homosexuals cannot be saved (which is true if the Bible is to be believed, no argument) however the same is true of active, unrepentant remarried divorcees unless they were divorced for the very selective and specific reasons allowed for in the Bible.
15-30% of church going evangelicals in this country (depending on which statistics you believe) are remarried after a no fault divorce. According to the Bible, they are active adulterers still married to their original spouse in God's eyes. Is there ANY chance that will become a point of emphasis in these churches?
Despite no fault divorce being BY FAR the biggest insult to marriage in this country and FAR more damaging than anything any gay person has ever done, I say that it will probably never become a big issue among the churches. And I think we all know why.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:13 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
FAR more damaging than anything any gay person has ever done, I
That's your opinion. I don't remember any stories of God calling down fire on an entire city because of divorces.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:16 pm to Revelator
quote:
I don't remember any stories of God calling down fire on an entire city because of diciorces.
Because divorce was incredibly rare at that time, far more so than homosexuality. It just didn't happen much. The writers of the Old Testament didn't see the need to make up a story about divorcees getting destroyed because it just wasn't a problem.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:22 pm to Roger Klarvin
What percentage of these divorces are due to adultery and written off as no fault?
I have heard many sermons on divorce and it's effect on the the Church.
I have heard many sermons on divorce and it's effect on the the Church.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
Because divorce was incredibly rare at that time, far more so than homosexuality. It just didn't happen much. The writers of the Old Testament didn't see the need to make up a story about divorcees getting destroyed because it just wasn't a problem.
I seem to remember Jesus talking about the ease of divorcing a woman by simply writing her a letter of divorce. So It mustn't have been as rare as you imply.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:25 pm to themunch
quote:
What percentage of these divorces are due to adultery and written off as no fault?
A decent number I'm sure
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
The Lord gives two reasons for ending marriage. One is death. The other is adultery.
Sin is sin.
Sin is sin.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:28 pm to Revelator
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I seem to remember Jesus talking about the ease of divorcing a woman by simply writing her a letter of divorce. So It mustn't have been as rare as you imply.
The book of Genesis was written 500-700 years before Jesus was born and the events supposedly took place over 1,500-2,000 years prior.
It becomes increasingly obvious the longer you post how little you actually know about your own religion.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
The book of Genesis was written 500-700 years before Jesus was born and the events supposedly took place over 1,500-2,000 years prior.
I never referred to the book of Genesis.
quote:
becomes increasingly obvious the longer you post how little you actually know about your own religion.
I'm not a fan of religion.
This post was edited on 2/12/18 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:35 pm to themunch
quote:
The Lord gives two reasons for ending marriage. One is death. The other is adultery.
I'm aware
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:38 pm to FooManChoo
quote:So, did she have that famous surgery, "addadicktomy"?
female-to-male transition
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:
Because divorce was incredibly rare at that time, far more so than homosexuality. It just didn't happen much. The writers of the Old Testament didn't see the need to make up a story about divorcees getting destroyed because it just wasn't a problem.
Divorce, though it is considered a sin, can be repented of. It's not a continual act. Anyone who is a practicing homosexual is in a willful, continual state of sin.
I'd say homosexuality is far worse than divorce.
Posted on 2/12/18 at 9:45 pm to Revelator
There is no worse sin as such. There is no weight given to sins.
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