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re: Chronic Wasting Disease confirmed in a Mississippi White-tailed Deer
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:48 pm to Quatre Pot
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:48 pm to Quatre Pot
Supplement feeding is looked at as it normally happens at communal feed stations. The more deer come in contact with each other directly, the more likely they will transmit CWD. Shutting down feeding is pretty common up north in counties with CWD outbreaks in wild populations.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 9:53 pm to Manchac Man
I mean, any numbers at all would be a good start
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:02 pm to Quatre Pot
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Wait how is supplemental feeding responsible?
It is spread more rapidly by their saliva so if you feed deer corn in a pile, they could get the saliva of another deer.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:12 pm to 257WBY
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Pens need to be outlawed for sure
Not trying to stir the shite in here but why should gubmet tell me i cant high fence a property? There are many levels here to consider. A spread of 10000 acres is way different than 1000 for example. Regardless if I own 10 acres shouldn’t i be allowed to high fence property if i were to own it?
Im not a high fence proponet just thinking about the slippery slope.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:32 pm to Chuker
Minnesota’s CWD Response Plan:
“unlimited free deer tags for landowners, additional public hunts and possibly the use of privately contracted sharpshooters, according to the Department of Natural Resources.“
Reduce deer density as fast possible to prevent CWS from spreading.
“unlimited free deer tags for landowners, additional public hunts and possibly the use of privately contracted sharpshooters, according to the Department of Natural Resources.“
Reduce deer density as fast possible to prevent CWS from spreading.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:36 pm to ABucks11
That what they did in Wisconsin and the effect was dramatic, I know guys that were shooting 15-20 bucks a yr. There has to be a better way to deal with it than mass slaughter.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:38 pm to ABucks11
Far, far more deer will die from the G&Fs reaction to CWD than from the disease itself. The hunting in NW Arkansas is the best that it has ever been and CWD has been there since they brought elk in 20+ years ago.
Arkansas outlawed supplemental feeding in the CWD zone, but still allows baiting. Meaning that you can only have feed out from 9/1 - 12/31
Arkansas outlawed supplemental feeding in the CWD zone, but still allows baiting. Meaning that you can only have feed out from 9/1 - 12/31
This post was edited on 2/9/18 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:46 pm to rattlebucket
Trust me I am not big on the Gov telling people what to do with their property either but this case is a little different. It directly impacts other private and public property. Like I said stricter regs such as double fencing is something that would work without having to ban it.
And to be fair the issue is more with breeding operations than large high fence operations with native deer in them.
And to be fair the issue is more with breeding operations than large high fence operations with native deer in them.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:50 pm to GREENHEAD22
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It directly impacts other private and public property.
I’ll admit my ignorance here. Why would it affect others? Are you saying without a double fence the deer french kiss and pass the cooties?
Posted on 2/9/18 at 10:59 pm to GREENHEAD22
The prions that cause the disease being able to survive in the soil, taken up into plants via roots, and then spread if eaten is very concerning. Seems the only strategy is to try and contain it from spreading. Reducing deer density is the easiest way to reduce deer to deer contact.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:05 pm to rattlebucket
Deer belong to the State, not the private citizen. Deer pens lock up what belongs to all the citizens.
Deer herds shouldn’t be ruined so that one man can have a fence.
Deer herds shouldn’t be ruined so that one man can have a fence.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:08 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Trust me I am not big on the Gov telling people what to do with their property either but this case is a little different. It directly impacts other private and public property. Like I said stricter regs such as double fencing is something that would work without having to ban it.
Double fencing would not work. That just makes it twice as expensive to high fence your property, so you are right back to square 1. You're regulating what people can do with their private property.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:29 pm to UpToPar
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Are you saying without a double fence the deer french kiss and pass the cooties?
Yes that is one way it can spread.
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Double fencing would not work
Double fencing with a buffer zone would greatly reduce contact with wild herds and to be honest IDGAS if it is more expensive, the other option is to outright ban it.
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You're regulating what people can do with their private property.
When what you do with your property infringes on or damages other property you are subject to regulation, there is precedent for this. And to be honest anyone who is a true sportsman should understand the issue at hand.
Do some research on CWD and get back to me, there are some pretty scary possibilities. The fact is we just dont know enough right now so imo it is better to err on the side of caution.
Posted on 2/9/18 at 11:54 pm to GREENHEAD22
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Double fencing with a buffer zone would greatly reduce contact with wild herds and to be honest IDGAS if it is more expensive, the other option is to outright ban it.
I don’t mean that it wouldn’t prevent the spread of CWD, I mean it wouldn’t get around the regulating private property issue. That’s a significant restriction on the use of private property.
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infringes on or damages other property
What “other property” are you damaging?
This post was edited on 2/10/18 at 12:00 am
Posted on 2/10/18 at 12:15 am to UpToPar
As of right now it is wild (public) and other private deer herds however possibly cattle and even the ground itself since the prions can live in the soil for extended periods of time.
The transfer to cattle and humans is still being researched but you can argue that once wild deer contact it and spread it to surrounding properties that land is now contaminated.
Similar to a chemical spill or release.
The transfer to cattle and humans is still being researched but you can argue that once wild deer contact it and spread it to surrounding properties that land is now contaminated.
Similar to a chemical spill or release.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 12:51 am to mylsuhat
Well that makes my decision on whether to renew my Camp membership much easier
Posted on 2/10/18 at 6:11 am to UpToPar
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That’s a significant restriction on the use of private property.
I agree with GH. If what you are doing on that private property could negatively impact the deer not on your property, it is subject to regulations.
You can't put up a high fence on your property in Louisiana and trap all of the native deer inside. It's illegal. You have to remove them, and bring in deer from another high fence operation, possibly from out of state. That increases the chances of CWD coming in.
If you want to have your own private deer herd, I don't really care if you have to spend more money double fencing it or not. I don't want you potentially impacting the native deer herd by bringing in disease from outside.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:06 am to 257WBY
I think they are supposed to push all of the native deer out before they close up the fence.
And no, deer do not belong to the state. They belong to us and we have tasked the state with managing them. Private landowners control access, they don't own the deer so you are right on that.
And no, deer do not belong to the state. They belong to us and we have tasked the state with managing them. Private landowners control access, they don't own the deer so you are right on that.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:14 am to Cowboyfan89
Just to continue the debate, here are a few talking points.
True, and I totally agree with this approach. People should not be able to capture wild/native deer. In turn, just the opposite is illegal. You can't turn deer out of a fence onto wild ground. Does both happen, you bet.
Also, true. And most, if not all have to be CWD compliant with the state. I'm trying to confirm that right now.
This is the illegal part. Any animal of the Cervidae family can not be transported across state lines. That has been shut down. You will go to jail and you will not collect $200.
Now consider this. There are no reports of CWD cases in the state of Louisiana to my knowledge. So logically speaking if there are no reports of CWD.....and you can't bring deer across state lines then where will CWD come from?
Now let's be more realistic, could people illegally just bring breeder deer in from out of state? Sure but why risk their herd and financial investment? I mean if you want northern deer that bad, there are cheaper methods to introduce those genetics these days without transporting live deer.
So I continue to ask where will CWD come from? Hunters now must prepare out of state kills in a manner that reduces CWD. Does it eliminate the possibility that CWD may come home with them, NO it does not and the fact is that more deer come across state lines by hunters bringing in wild deer than any other method.
In addition to hunters, what about migratory birds such as Black Vultures, raptors and owls that feed on these northern animals and then fly south for the winter? Are they bringing CWD here? Who knows?
The point of this long response is to say there is more to the story than just a knee jerk reaction to high fence operations being the culprit of CWD. Do they play a part, yes, but they are not the only thing to consider in negative press about CWD.
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You can't put up a high fence on your property in Louisiana and trap all of the native deer inside. It's illegal.
True, and I totally agree with this approach. People should not be able to capture wild/native deer. In turn, just the opposite is illegal. You can't turn deer out of a fence onto wild ground. Does both happen, you bet.
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You have to remove them, and bring in deer from another high fence operation
Also, true. And most, if not all have to be CWD compliant with the state. I'm trying to confirm that right now.
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possibly from out of state
This is the illegal part. Any animal of the Cervidae family can not be transported across state lines. That has been shut down. You will go to jail and you will not collect $200.
Now consider this. There are no reports of CWD cases in the state of Louisiana to my knowledge. So logically speaking if there are no reports of CWD.....and you can't bring deer across state lines then where will CWD come from?
Now let's be more realistic, could people illegally just bring breeder deer in from out of state? Sure but why risk their herd and financial investment? I mean if you want northern deer that bad, there are cheaper methods to introduce those genetics these days without transporting live deer.
So I continue to ask where will CWD come from? Hunters now must prepare out of state kills in a manner that reduces CWD. Does it eliminate the possibility that CWD may come home with them, NO it does not and the fact is that more deer come across state lines by hunters bringing in wild deer than any other method.
In addition to hunters, what about migratory birds such as Black Vultures, raptors and owls that feed on these northern animals and then fly south for the winter? Are they bringing CWD here? Who knows?
The point of this long response is to say there is more to the story than just a knee jerk reaction to high fence operations being the culprit of CWD. Do they play a part, yes, but they are not the only thing to consider in negative press about CWD.
Posted on 2/10/18 at 8:20 am to Manchac Man
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Where will CWD come from
It will come from people that will continue to bring carcasses and even live deer across state lines. Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it will stop
Drugs are illegal also
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