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re: MLB teams won't sign players they don't want to pay for...
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:23 am to WestCoastAg
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:23 am to WestCoastAg
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i think a big part of it is that the lower 15 tv markets who get regional tv money from everyone need stricter rules on plugging that money back into baseball operations i am fine with a team like the marlins getting a part of the dodgers local tv money. it helps keep those team competitive. but its ridiculous that they get a portion of the dodgers money and then absolutely slash pay roll because "they cant afford the team" when they make the total team salary on their own local tv revenue and revenue sharing alone This post was edited on 2/2 at 11:04 pm
frick the Dodgers but PREACH
Posted on 2/3/18 at 12:51 am to Wishnitwas1998
it should also be stressed that the players played a big part in this happening. they allowed the new CBA to make an entirely new environment for teams in free agency by essentially establishing a salary cap that everyone wants to stay under this winter
Posted on 2/3/18 at 1:12 am to KirkLazarus
Players - Pay me ridiculous money
Owners - GFY
Owners - GFY
Posted on 2/3/18 at 1:20 am to KirkLazarus
So sick of pro athletes.
There are tons of professions where people aren't paid what they're worth. Medical interns.
Law associates bringing in all the dough for the partners but getting paid like shite.
This is bubble syndrome. Athletes growing up in the athlete bubble.
Everybody else who makes money for the higher ups has to suck it up but athletes want the entire pie.
There are tons of professions where people aren't paid what they're worth. Medical interns.
Law associates bringing in all the dough for the partners but getting paid like shite.
This is bubble syndrome. Athletes growing up in the athlete bubble.
Everybody else who makes money for the higher ups has to suck it up but athletes want the entire pie.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 1:58 am to Tiger Ryno
Yup. If anything this offseason means owners are less involved. Don’t listen to the agent spewing shite
Posted on 2/3/18 at 5:25 am to KirkLazarus
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Posted on 2/3/18 at 5:46 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Everybody else who makes money for the higher ups has to suck it up but athletes want the entire pie.
You do realize there is no substitute for professional athletes right? Like we can dream about a 'Replacements' occurring, but in the end, these are the best of the best.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 7:30 am to McCaigBro69
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You do realize there is no substitute for professional athletes right? Like we can dream about a 'Replacements' occurring, but in the end, these are the best of the best.
For some reason, John Q. Public always chooses to identify with management in pro sports labor disputes. People mostly bitch about players making too much money, but rarely acknowledge the fact that ownership makes at least as much.
These aren't exact numbers, but the Dodgers make $462M in revenue. $275M of that goes to the players so that would be divided by say roughly 40 people. Minus operating expenses, the organization nets $166.5M. There are 5 major partners in the ownership group.
Who's coming out on top, the 5 guys who don't do much other than be rich splitting $166.5M or the 40 guys who actually produce the product being consumed splitting $275M?
Posted on 2/3/18 at 8:13 am to KirkLazarus
Of course agents and players think it is collusion, however, it is a system they agreed to. I also no not believe that teams should sign one just because....
The new system values youth over experience, the free agents that are available are not exactly young and they want contracts like in years past.
The new system values youth over experience, the free agents that are available are not exactly young and they want contracts like in years past.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 8:27 am to KirkLazarus
Yeah the issue is this, in a collectively bargained labor agreement, certain expectations of revenue sharing are agreed upon. If you are telling players that you will maintain control of their playing location and salary for the first 6 years of their career, a time when they are paid substantially less than their market value, but, if you're good enough, you can make it up later, you have to keep that promise.
Does it make sense to pay a 30+ year old pitcher $20 million for the next 8 years? Only if you agreed to do so in the beginning.
The current system doesn't work well for either side right now. Team's recognize the folly of back ending large contracts. Players realize that they are getting screwed in their first 6 years. A major shake up of the salary system is likely on the way which means that we are likely in for some kind of labor stoppage in baseball, soon.
Does it make sense to pay a 30+ year old pitcher $20 million for the next 8 years? Only if you agreed to do so in the beginning.
The current system doesn't work well for either side right now. Team's recognize the folly of back ending large contracts. Players realize that they are getting screwed in their first 6 years. A major shake up of the salary system is likely on the way which means that we are likely in for some kind of labor stoppage in baseball, soon.
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 8:32 am
Posted on 2/3/18 at 8:34 am to KirkLazarus
Time for Vince to start up XLB.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 8:47 am to KirkLazarus
I know one of the things at play here is that teams have been burned so often giving starting pitchers over 30 these huge long-term contracts that end up being disasters.
There's a ton of evidence showing this as poor business. Take Jake Arieta for example. His velocity is declining and he hits a wall earlier and earlier in games.
Yet he wants a huge 6-year deal. Any team would be foolish to give in to that.
There's a ton of evidence showing this as poor business. Take Jake Arieta for example. His velocity is declining and he hits a wall earlier and earlier in games.
Yet he wants a huge 6-year deal. Any team would be foolish to give in to that.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 9:05 am to Wayne Campbell
quote:Why would anyone want to be part of management or ownership if it wasn't profitable.... frick the players are well paid, better paid than probably 90% of the population in relation to what they actually do. The players union agreed to the current deal, the players should be pissed at their union and not ownership.
These aren't exact numbers, but the Dodgers make $462M in revenue. $275M of that goes to the players so that would be divided by say roughly 40 people. Minus operating expenses, the organization nets $166.5M. There are 5 major partners in the ownership group.
Who's coming out on top, the 5 guys who don't do much other than be rich splitting $166.5M or the 40 guys who actually produce the product being consumed splitting $275M?
Posted on 2/3/18 at 9:06 am to Tiger Ugly
Yu is essentially a 6 inning pitcher, yet wants 6 years at 25+ a year...
Posted on 2/3/18 at 9:40 am to tduecen
Yep, I don't want the Cubs signing either Jake or Yu on an extended contract. Would live to have either one of them but only on a short deal.
Managers have just gotten smarter and they are actually looking at the advanced stats and using that information.
Managers have just gotten smarter and they are actually looking at the advanced stats and using that information.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 9:44 am to tduecen
quote:and that still doesnt keep situations like miami from happening. both sides are to blame for this. the players agreed to a CBA that would cause this to happen, and we still have ownerships who dont want to invest in the actual baseball team
frick the players are well paid, better paid than probably 90% of the population in relation to what they actually do.
This post was edited on 2/3/18 at 9:45 am
Posted on 2/3/18 at 9:49 am to WestCoastAg
MLB fricked the Marlins, they just wanted Jeter to own the team without seeing what the actual plans for the team were. I do think they will institute a penalty (loss of draft picks) for teams that fail to spend a certain amount on salary in the future.
Then at least teams will negotiate with their own players to reach the floor and maybe sign a few others to even it out.
Then at least teams will negotiate with their own players to reach the floor and maybe sign a few others to even it out.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 9:49 am to KirkLazarus
My favorite part is them crying about a deal they just literally signed.
A guy on local radio was saying the players were more worried about chef cooked pregame meals, nicer lockers, softer pillows, than on the shite that is now a thorn in their side.
Dear Players,
You dumbfricks just agreed to this contract, you will now reap what you sew.
A guy on local radio was saying the players were more worried about chef cooked pregame meals, nicer lockers, softer pillows, than on the shite that is now a thorn in their side.
Dear Players,
You dumbfricks just agreed to this contract, you will now reap what you sew.
Posted on 2/3/18 at 9:53 am to tduecen
they are absolutely going to a salary floor. its remarkable that the players union didnt push for one last year
Posted on 2/3/18 at 10:26 am to tduecen
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Yu is essentially a 6 inning pitcher, yet wants 6 years at 25+ a year...
And with post-season issues. The Cubs are so desperate for one more starter, and also to keep him from the Brewers, they may cave on this one.
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