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Posted on 1/25/18 at 3:25 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 3:25 am
I'd like to take a moment to say that Asik's 5ish minutes on the court today helped anchor some classic 90s ball where we stayed neutral with the other team without AD/DC.
Give credit where it's due, Asik played solid defence and rebounding against Dwight, reminiscent of his time with the Bulls on the second unit. Props to Gentry for making that call, solid decision that paid off.
With this in mind, I feel there is definitely room for him to play 10-15 mins in a game depending on the matchup. He could probably do this for 10-15 teams in this league, where they use a classic bruiser big, or a hustle big that cleans up on the boards. Could be really useful against hustle teams like Brooklyn or Atlanta where Pels fall into the trap of playing down to competeition.
He could be that 3rd/4th big that could cut into AD/DC's playing time and give them rest, while also giving cunningham less time as well, which is a big plus in my books.
If coaches are able to utilise him a bit more, the trade deadline target (I'm 80% sure they'll trade their pick) is easier to shop for, as you know you're gonna get a guard/wing type.
Give credit where it's due, Asik played solid defence and rebounding against Dwight, reminiscent of his time with the Bulls on the second unit. Props to Gentry for making that call, solid decision that paid off.
With this in mind, I feel there is definitely room for him to play 10-15 mins in a game depending on the matchup. He could probably do this for 10-15 teams in this league, where they use a classic bruiser big, or a hustle big that cleans up on the boards. Could be really useful against hustle teams like Brooklyn or Atlanta where Pels fall into the trap of playing down to competeition.
He could be that 3rd/4th big that could cut into AD/DC's playing time and give them rest, while also giving cunningham less time as well, which is a big plus in my books.
If coaches are able to utilise him a bit more, the trade deadline target (I'm 80% sure they'll trade their pick) is easier to shop for, as you know you're gonna get a guard/wing type.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 3:27 am
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 4:50 am to Tin_Food
In certain matchup- yeah sure.
He was great in the past against Boogie.
But there is not much such players left. Like Howard.
Not worth 10 millions plus...
He was great in the past against Boogie.
But there is not much such players left. Like Howard.
Not worth 10 millions plus...
Posted on 1/25/18 at 4:59 am to pawel
He's way past being a sunk cost now, that ship sailed 2 years ago the day we gave him the contract.
I actually mean he could be a viable sub depending on the matchup, where we could win or stay neutral during that time he's on the court, if we lock in and play solid defence. I admit the number of teams we could use him against is closer to 10 rather than 15, but that's potentially rest time for Boogie and Brow. Keep in mind it would likely be against second units, so as long as we don't get wrecked -20 or something, I'd be ok with it.
Given our situation we'd have to give an asset to get rid of his contract. So might as well keep him unless he's moved as filler to make a deal work.
I actually mean he could be a viable sub depending on the matchup, where we could win or stay neutral during that time he's on the court, if we lock in and play solid defence. I admit the number of teams we could use him against is closer to 10 rather than 15, but that's potentially rest time for Boogie and Brow. Keep in mind it would likely be against second units, so as long as we don't get wrecked -20 or something, I'd be ok with it.
Given our situation we'd have to give an asset to get rid of his contract. So might as well keep him unless he's moved as filler to make a deal work.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 5:23 am to pawel
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In certain matchup- yeah sure.
I disagree. I think he can do that against most teams for 5-10 minutes a night and I don’t understand why Gentry won’t use him more often to get AD/DC a few more minutes of rest.
Small ball doesn’t necessarily kill him either. One of his better games as a Pel was 2-3 years ago when Denver went small most of the game. Asik got all the rebounds and the team did poorly only when Ajinca subbed in and started giving up offensive boards to Denver.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 6:27 am to TigerinATL
Maybe You are right and he might?
Hard to speculate while he is not playing.
As to dump or stretch him. I would prefer stretch. It will be less than 3 millions/year for 5 years.
Rookie scale contract may give us cheap player for 3-4 years.
No brainer for me.
Hard to speculate while he is not playing.
As to dump or stretch him. I would prefer stretch. It will be less than 3 millions/year for 5 years.
Rookie scale contract may give us cheap player for 3-4 years.
No brainer for me.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 6:55 am to TigerinATL
I agree. I think in the right situation he helps one of our biggest holes, our defense and defensive rebounding.
Also I think the situation where he's useful also works out where you're more likely to give AD/DC rest, against bad teams that play hard and will likely try to win by out working us.
Also I think the situation where he's useful also works out where you're more likely to give AD/DC rest, against bad teams that play hard and will likely try to win by out working us.
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Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:18 am to TigerinATL
I think 5 minutes makes a huge difference for AD and Cousins, and i have no idea why he can't play for 2 or 3 minutes in each half to give both of them a break. Yeah he's terrible, but we can survive those 5 minutes very easily.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:29 am to Tin_Food
He can play against certain 5’s, and just about any time the opposing team runs out their second unit. He looks like he’s ready to see the floor 8 minutes a night to me...
Posted on 1/25/18 at 7:57 am to Tin_Food
he matches up well with Dwight Howard, always has.
there aren't many Dwight Howard's left though
there aren't many Dwight Howard's left though
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:28 am to cgrand
Yeah but he actually moves his feet and gets in good position on defense when there's a pick and roll. I think he provides defense as good or better than Cousins, especially if we're talking about Cousins in those last 3 MPG he shouldn't be playing.
Sure he's worthless on offense outside of setting screens and boxing out, but that has some value. Even Dwight followed him out of the paint last night as he set a screen on the perimeter, because if Dwight doesn't follow him out then the guard gets an open look. A small ball big would have chased him out too, and he was setting a screen for a guy without the ball, so if the screening doesn't work, you've dragged the big out of the paint perhaps opening something up for the player with the ball. I remember Monty used to park Asik/Stiemsma/etc at the 3 point line trying to create space and the other players wouldn't bite. They didn't have to respect his shot but they do have to respect the shot of the guy he sets screens for.
He's a dinosaur that probably would be out of the league if he didn't already have a contract. That doesn't mean he's completely unplayable. What I don't get is when he has played he hasn't looked like a disaster you want to send back to the bench like Diallo usually does. It's like Gentry isn't playing him out of principle.
Sure he's worthless on offense outside of setting screens and boxing out, but that has some value. Even Dwight followed him out of the paint last night as he set a screen on the perimeter, because if Dwight doesn't follow him out then the guard gets an open look. A small ball big would have chased him out too, and he was setting a screen for a guy without the ball, so if the screening doesn't work, you've dragged the big out of the paint perhaps opening something up for the player with the ball. I remember Monty used to park Asik/Stiemsma/etc at the 3 point line trying to create space and the other players wouldn't bite. They didn't have to respect his shot but they do have to respect the shot of the guy he sets screens for.
He's a dinosaur that probably would be out of the league if he didn't already have a contract. That doesn't mean he's completely unplayable. What I don't get is when he has played he hasn't looked like a disaster you want to send back to the bench like Diallo usually does. It's like Gentry isn't playing him out of principle.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 8:43 am to TigerinATL
I think Gentry get's worried about big's switching or something, which is why we see so much of Dante.
But hopefully this last game is incentive to give Asik a little more time. Honestly I think what he's doing now is like 80-90% of what he was doing in our last playoff season.
But hopefully this last game is incentive to give Asik a little more time. Honestly I think what he's doing now is like 80-90% of what he was doing in our last playoff season.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:54 am to Tin_Food
I've been saying this, boogie and ad being tired is pretty poor defensively and offensively. It cannot be worse if you let asik go on the floor to spot one of them and slow the tempo.
Assuming 4 possessions a piece, you might give up 6 points but you might score 4. You just bought AD or Cousins close to 4 minutes of game time.
Assuming 4 possessions a piece, you might give up 6 points but you might score 4. You just bought AD or Cousins close to 4 minutes of game time.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 9:57 am to htran90
I also don't think it's a disaster on offense the way the NBA has become switch happy. They have to respect his picks, if they don't and his man stays in the paint then just let him go set a pick for Darius Miller every play and hit a 3 every time.
This post was edited on 1/25/18 at 9:58 am
Posted on 1/25/18 at 10:39 am to Tin_Food
I’ve always liked Asik. Is he overpaid for today’s league? Sure, but that’s not his fault. He’s a very good rebounder. The ball just seems to find his hands off the boards. And he’s a big body that makes good screens, and he actively pursues them instead of standing around watching like some of our players off-ball.
The problem with many of our fans is that they expect things out of him that they shouldn’t. He’s not a scorer. I’d like to see him on the court more often. And I proudly display my Omer-signed Pels basketball in my gameroom.
The problem with many of our fans is that they expect things out of him that they shouldn’t. He’s not a scorer. I’d like to see him on the court more often. And I proudly display my Omer-signed Pels basketball in my gameroom.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 11:44 am to TigrrrDad
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I’ve always liked Asik. Is he overpaid for today’s league? Sure, but that’s not his fault. He’s a very good rebounder. The ball just seems to find his hands off the boards. And he’s a big body that makes good screens, and he actively pursues them instead of standing around watching like some of our players off-ball.
The problem with many of our fans is that they expect things out of him that they shouldn’t. He’s not a scorer. I’d like to see him on the court more often. And I proudly display my Omer-signed Pels basketball in my gameroom.
His time on the court was pretty much net neutral. This is my biggest complaint with the staff, they do not adjust to their personnel. You have asik in there, stop running and gunning and just go into a half court set and slow things down. It plays into his strength and it ultimately does the one thing you need when he's on the court: give your other 2 bigs rest.
You can live giving up a few points when asik is on the court, that'e expected, and a win for cousins or AD because he gets rest. You leave Cousins on the court when he's huffing and puffing and you give up easy buckets, nobody wins in that situation.
Take the lesser of two evils. Even if the opponent runs and guns, Asik makes it back on the defensive end more often than not. He might be only to do it for a few minutes but thats a few more minutes for Cousins/AD.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:20 pm to Tin_Food
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giving cunningham less time as well, which is a big plus in my books.
You guys keep under-valuing Dante. He hustles and has hit some timely shots and this season. He's not a star by any means, but I like him.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 1:25 pm to VOR
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VOR
I was a big Dante fan coming into the season, and he’s made me look like an a-hole for defending him. His game looks like it aged 4 years in one offseason. He really needs to be a hustle guy every night and hang his hat on that. Otherwise, dude is terrible.
Posted on 1/25/18 at 4:48 pm to ShamelessPel
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I was a big Dante fan coming into the season, and he’s made me look like an a-hole for defending him. His game looks like it aged 4 years in one offseason. He really needs to be a hustle guy every night and hang his hat on that. Otherwise, dude is terrible
Agreed. I was really glad we were able to resign Dante, but he has been very disappointing this season.
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