re: Snow on the ground in all 50 states, climate change is being downgraded

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Climate change is real, the hysteria created around it is fear mongering

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Exactly. The climate has been changing one way or another as long as there’s been an atmosphere. But the notion that we somehow can have any influence on it is absurd and totally unsupported by any scientiifc evidence.

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Many believe that global warming (if currently true) happens naturally without any help from man.

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While I believe that it mostly a natural cycle, it’s not hard to imagine that humans can have an affect on the rate of change.

So far this winter Charleston SC has received more snow than Taos Ski Valley in the Rocky Mountains, I would say that’s a pretty good indicator that something strange is going on.

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Your notion that "everything was cleared up" is comical.

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I quoted the guy that started the "controversy".

Everything after that was just politicians twisting and spinning the story to fit their agendas.

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Who do the 'global warming" people blame for those incidents?

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Natural cycles that take thousands of years.

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Many believe that global warming (if currently true) happens naturally without any help from man.

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Right. It is the convenient belief. But there is a very massive warming trend that just so happens to correspond with man's industrialization.

It is impossible to 100% prove causation, but an objective person can come to pretty definitive conclusions based off all the data that we currently understand.

Could we discover other mechanisms at work later on? Absolutely. And scientists all over the world are currently trying to find other links.

The best advice I can give anyone on climate change is to ignore the media and politicians who use it as a means of control and power through fear mongering, and go directly to the sources of the studies and read the conclusions for yourself.

Don't just read through the lens of whatever political mouthpiece you agree with.

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Right. It is the convenient belief. But there is a very massive warming trend that just so happens to correspond with man's industrialization.

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How “very massive” is the warming trend compared to trends that occurred thousands or tens of thousands of year ago? It’s all relative.

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It is impossible to 100% prove causation, but an objective person can come to pretty definitive conclusions based off all the data that we currently understand.

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I don’t have a doubt that human factors can and do influence the global climate. I think most of the disagreement is centered around the degree of causation.

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But the notion that we somehow can have any influence on it is absurd and totally unsupported by any scientiifc evidence.
Well that's not true.

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horseshite

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So far this winter Charleston SC has received more snow than Taos Ski Valley in the Rocky Mountains, I would say that’s a pretty good indicator that something strange is going on.

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Jet stream changed in early December. It's switching again, you'll probably see a reverse.

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I’m amazed at how many people don’t realize it snows in Hawaii pretty reguarly.

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I get that it snows in the mountains, but I don't consider that "on the ground" like the thread title says.

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The trend line is greater. Natural cycles take thousands of years to see the type of increases we have seen in the last 100.

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Because we have very accurate snapshots of global temperatures over the last 100 years. We can guess what the global temperature was a million years ago, but it’s a guess at best and likely takes into account several data points and averages those data points out. That’s going to necessarily make it appear as though change happens at a much more gradual pace because you won’t have accurate snapshots of change over a shorter period of time.