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Question About “O’s Broken Promise” Narrative
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:33 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:33 am
I’ve heard all the radio guys saying that O campaigned on getting a top young OC, and that the Ensminger hire breaks that promise.
Why do so many of y’all believe that narrative to be true?
Honest question / not a flame
Why do so many of y’all believe that narrative to be true?
Honest question / not a flame
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Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:38 am to DontCare
He literally campaigned his intentions to hire the best coordinators.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:41 am to DontCare
LINK
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With regard to the offense, Orgeron made the need for a great offensive coordinator clear: "We're going to look at recruiting the best offensive coordinator in football and bring him to LSU. We have a blueprint and a mindset and we're going to go out and get it."
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:43 am to DontCare
Very simple answer:
Because it is True.
Because it is True.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:44 am to DontCare
It's ok guys. Ensminger is the best OC in all of college football. Lucky us we had him on our staff this entire time and never knew. He was hiding his greatness from everyone. You'll see!
Posted on 1/11/18 at 12:45 am to DontCare
it's not a narrativePosted on 1/11/18 at 12:45 am to DontCare
He has the job now... So "F You" to LSU. He is the head coach now and is gonna do what he wants to do.
Did anyone mistakenly think we hired a man with integrity on Black Friday 2016? If you did, you are naïve.
Did anyone mistakenly think we hired a man with integrity on Black Friday 2016? If you did, you are naïve.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:02 am to DontCare
Because O has repeatedly said" he's (the actual wording was "we're") going to and get the best coordinators available."
My issue is not with Ensminger at all, it's about the process of getting an OC. It completely goes against what O said repeatedly, a la Miles about improving the offense, which lead to Miles getting fired but O is doing worse. (Let's not turn this into a Miles thread please)
Ensminger has turned down the OC position on a full time basis, twice that I'm aware of. Why pay $3M to hire a man who's been an OC for years (Canada) and then fire him and replace him with someone who was on staff before Canada was even hired? It's completely irrational thinking and I'm stunned that A. It was considered and B. It was actually approved by Alleva.
The problem starts with Alleva, bottom line. It's more about retaining the $$$ the program bring in and less about what's best for the football program. Recruiting will suffer, less fans in the stands and so forth. You made this bed, Alleva, lie in it.
My issue is not with Ensminger at all, it's about the process of getting an OC. It completely goes against what O said repeatedly, a la Miles about improving the offense, which lead to Miles getting fired but O is doing worse. (Let's not turn this into a Miles thread please)
Ensminger has turned down the OC position on a full time basis, twice that I'm aware of. Why pay $3M to hire a man who's been an OC for years (Canada) and then fire him and replace him with someone who was on staff before Canada was even hired? It's completely irrational thinking and I'm stunned that A. It was considered and B. It was actually approved by Alleva.
The problem starts with Alleva, bottom line. It's more about retaining the $$$ the program bring in and less about what's best for the football program. Recruiting will suffer, less fans in the stands and so forth. You made this bed, Alleva, lie in it.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 1:12 am to DontCare
Because that’s literally what he came out and said he would do. And he had one, but reports came out and said that O handcuffed him which is why they literally had a meeting with Alleva. What other program in the country have you seen the AD have to step in to make the HC and OC break bread? Which is another promise he made that he broke, that he’d let his coordinators do their jobs. And now not only did we ditch him for SE, one of O’s buddies, O has subsequently brought some of his other buddies on staff, let alone getting Derek a job after becoming the coach. O is just up there setting up his friends and breaking promises he made to the public in true politician fashion.
If this by some act of god this works out then I’ll eat crow. But I’ve seen how successful programs are built. The way this is playing out is the complete opposite of the recipe for a successful program to be built. I will never root against LSU. I will never hope for failure. If they come out and light it up then I’ll be happy and behind the O wagon.
But this season didn’t impress me. We beat Auburn at home after being down 20-0, that’s literally the only highlight. We lost to Troy and lost to MSU by the largest margin in school history and lost to Bama for the 7th consecutive time. Rest of the teams we beat? All crappy defenses, majority of them replaced their coaches. Not exactly murderers row. Auburn is literally the only thing you can hang your hat on and for a while there we were about to get run off the field.
We’re LSU. I don’t want to hear “well the teams we lost to were really good teams” because we should also be a good team that is capable of winning those games. Next year we play the two teams that played in the NC this year in Bama and UGA, and two teams that played in NY6 bowls in Auburn (on the road which is a tough place to play) and Miami, and also Florida under Mullen on the road. Our schedule next year is gonna be a gauntlet, and if we’re a program worth their salt, I expect 10 wins in the regular season. We need to beat the teams that matter because we should strive to be a team that matters as well. The day that an 8-4, 7-5 season but the losses are to “good teams” is an acceptable outcome, is the day that we admit we’re a second tier program.
Tl;dr, we have a gauntlet schedule next year, and despite it if we win less than 10 games and we accept that and continue to let things play out, we are admitting we are a mediocre program.
If this by some act of god this works out then I’ll eat crow. But I’ve seen how successful programs are built. The way this is playing out is the complete opposite of the recipe for a successful program to be built. I will never root against LSU. I will never hope for failure. If they come out and light it up then I’ll be happy and behind the O wagon.
But this season didn’t impress me. We beat Auburn at home after being down 20-0, that’s literally the only highlight. We lost to Troy and lost to MSU by the largest margin in school history and lost to Bama for the 7th consecutive time. Rest of the teams we beat? All crappy defenses, majority of them replaced their coaches. Not exactly murderers row. Auburn is literally the only thing you can hang your hat on and for a while there we were about to get run off the field.
We’re LSU. I don’t want to hear “well the teams we lost to were really good teams” because we should also be a good team that is capable of winning those games. Next year we play the two teams that played in the NC this year in Bama and UGA, and two teams that played in NY6 bowls in Auburn (on the road which is a tough place to play) and Miami, and also Florida under Mullen on the road. Our schedule next year is gonna be a gauntlet, and if we’re a program worth their salt, I expect 10 wins in the regular season. We need to beat the teams that matter because we should strive to be a team that matters as well. The day that an 8-4, 7-5 season but the losses are to “good teams” is an acceptable outcome, is the day that we admit we’re a second tier program.
Tl;dr, we have a gauntlet schedule next year, and despite it if we win less than 10 games and we accept that and continue to let things play out, we are admitting we are a mediocre program.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 3:29 am to DontCare
I don’t believe he said young but he did say “top” coordinators and he lied. He basically lied about every promise he campaigned on. He wants his buddies over here so nobody will buck him or question him. The way he handled Canada alone tells you everything about this guy. Most of the negative press stuff that came out about Canada was false and Orgeron using his cronies in the media to plant negatives. He’s jealous that the coordinators get credit when they win and he gets the blame when they lose but hello fat boy that’s the life of every head coach. Orgeron is a scumbag and will likely be gone in 2 years or less.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 3:30 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 4:04 am to DontCare
You literally answered your question in your question.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:35 am to DontCare
Well we didn't have football's best OC last year either.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:40 am to DontCare
He is such a weak coach that he had to promise to hire elite coaches to offset his total inadequacy as a coach.
Now he’s not putting elite coaches around him. In fact, he’s compounding the problem the Les had by simply recycling the former coaching staff. It doesn’t take too much thought to see how this is going end.
Now he’s not putting elite coaches around him. In fact, he’s compounding the problem the Les had by simply recycling the former coaching staff. It doesn’t take too much thought to see how this is going end.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 6:42 am to DontCare
It's not what he said he was going to do.
I believe putting Ensminger in as the OC is a one-year measure because O can't get an OC he wants right now, but I choose to believe that. Nobody has said that.
However, we've been told that Ensminger doesn't want the job.
I believe putting Ensminger in as the OC is a one-year measure because O can't get an OC he wants right now, but I choose to believe that. Nobody has said that.
However, we've been told that Ensminger doesn't want the job.
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:00 am to DontCare
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I’ve heard all the radio guys saying that O campaigned on getting a top young OC
This is some kind of crazy parsing of words you may be doing inadvertently - so I won't presume to accuse you of deliberate misrepresentation.
O said he was going to hire the best coordinators (and assistant coaches). One of his first hires was Pete Jenkins. Say what you want, but Pete Jenkins is arguably the greatest position coach in CFB history. So, that was within his promise (no question Jenkins was/is well past his prime). Canada's resume was arguable - certainly he was a hot property and was the only OC Broyles candidate after his season in Pitt.
But, Steve Ensminger isn't even in the area code of the promise. And I hate this has turned into a bash Ensminger deal, because I think a lot of Steve Ensminger. I don't even think he's a bad coordinator right now, in 2018.
But, "best"? However subjective and mushy the word "best" is - there is no question this is not what Orgeron promised. "Best" would have to be a guy with a demonstrated Top 20 offense within the past 5, 8 seasons, minimum - either in the NFL or big league CFB. Hell, if he'd gotten the best coordinator in Division I-AA, that might be arguable.
But not LSU's TE coach. In a weird way, it's like O is trying to validate himself - he was a position coach. SE has been a position coach for some time.
Many are speculating that O wants Ensminger so he can meddle in the offense. Maybe that's true - I can't say. Even so, I believe it is more of a comfort level (like Miles was with his coordinator choices, particularly offensive ones). O is "comfortable" with Ensminger - they of the same generation - they were in the LSU program together as players in 1979.
But it is not the type of decision one makes to compete for championships in this day and age. I'm not saying we need a gimmicky offense like Canada's - just a modern offense that has proven success against a range of teams of the upper echelon of CFB.
Steve isn't a bad play caller even today - I think 2016 dispels any notion of that. But calling plays off a play sheet off down and distance and defensive alignment, after doing film study is a far cry from crafting an offensive approach and constructing plays with your personnel to attack the defenses on the upcoming schedule, and adjusting that as you go, depending on how the season unfolds for your team and your opponents.
That's the difference between driving a car and designing/building one.
This post was edited on 1/11/18 at 7:02 am
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:04 am to DontCare
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Question About “O’s Broken Promise” Narrative by DontCare
You mean his lie to the public don't you?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 7:06 am to DontCare
WTF are you a Hillary alter? It’s not a narrative it’s what happened you stupid frick
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:19 am to DontCare
Are you saying Orgeron never said that or that Ensminger is one of the best OCs in the country?
Posted on 1/11/18 at 8:25 am to DontCare
They used up all the $ on the new Aranda deal so they had to hit the bargain bend for new OC
Posted on 1/11/18 at 9:16 pm to DontCare
O promised to let his coordinators coach and get out the way.. main reason Canada came..
O just politics and it makes me sick
O just politics and it makes me sick
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