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re: Consumers should be able to buy vehicles directly from the factory
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:01 am to starsandstripes
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:01 am to starsandstripes
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Now, suppose the factory is in MI and you are in LA. How much is it going to cost to ship the vehicle, one at a time, rather than in a big bunch on a truck? What about test drives? Defects? Scratches? What if the car shows up in wrong configuration? What if the car shows up with 500 miles on it?
If you still want to buy from a stealership, you can. Just give the rest of us the option. Sometimes I think a plane ticket to Michigan and the cost of hotels would end up being cheaper than buying a car from a stealership.
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Not sure I want to go through those potential hassles and take money away from fellow locals that need jobs. A car is a big purchase. Helping a salesman with some commission is just part of the deal.
Locals who need jobs to take advantage of you? I’ll play a violin for them.
Also the stealership mechanics who always “find” something wrong with your car when you bring it in for something else
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Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:01 am to the LSUSaint
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How would a factory sell car without support?
You think the "support" industry would disappear or something? Like a place has to be a dealership to offer that?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:02 am to Parmen
Mark up on everything is out of control. Vehicles are probably the worst, but I just spent 8k on a gate opener so my wife can drive her marker up vehicle through without stopping to move the gate. Unreal. 
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:03 am to Parmen
Sometimes you basically can do that with a new car when customizing it online. They then charge you a delivery fee, so the dealership gets something but it usually ant much.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:05 am to Parmen
And exactly what would change for the customer? The costs of the dealership are incurred because they provide a value to the consumer and a necessary touch point/buffer between the consumer and car maker. Eliminate the dealer and those things the dealer provided would now be the burden of the manufacturer and the cost of that burden would still be passed to the consumer.
You assume falsely that the cost of a Tesla would be more if there was a dealer involved when it is likely exactly the same. The difference is that Tesla is just getting both the profit on the manufacturing and the sale of car. Their choice to do this was based on “speed to market” not fairness or benefit to consumer.
You assume falsely that the cost of a Tesla would be more if there was a dealer involved when it is likely exactly the same. The difference is that Tesla is just getting both the profit on the manufacturing and the sale of car. Their choice to do this was based on “speed to market” not fairness or benefit to consumer.
This post was edited on 12/22/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:06 am to BamaScoop
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Most people go to work and come home and drink and watch football or grill out or whatever because they are too fricking stupid to do anything else.
Maybe they just enjoy grilling out and watching football?
What, are you doing science experiments after work or something?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:08 am to StraightCashHomey21
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but it usually ant much.
It’s not like dealers get much per car anyway. Margins are pretty slim relative to the amount of inventory they carry.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:09 am to Parmen
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you still want to buy from a stealership, you can. Just give the rest of us the option. Sometimes I think a plane ticket to Michigan and the cost of hotels would end up being cheaper than buying a car from a stealership.
You do have options, clown. There are used lots on every corner and online shopping by the 100s. There are auctions and private buying and selling as well. But again, who would support your cheap ads? Would you buy from factory and drive back to Michigan to have a warranty repair done?
Please give me a list of essential products that you have bought directly from the manufacturer and have zero local support
Phone? A/C? Refrigerator? Computer maybe?
Let me help you, you have ZERO highly complex necessities bought from a factory.....NONE
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:12 am to saints5021
That’s what Alabama coaches do for recruits
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:12 am to Parmen
I’d love it once my truck gets 100 mpg
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:13 am to the LSUSaint
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You do have options, clown.
So aggressive.
Let me ask this: if the current system is so great for consumers, why do we need laws forbidding that system from changing? According to you, car manufacturers who continued using the dealership system would have a competitive advantage.
So why the need for the law?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:15 am to 90proofprofessional
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You think the "support" industry would disappear or something? Like a place has to be a dealership to offer that?
You realize this makes ZERO sense, right?
Yes, thousand of dealerships would close....you can't be this dumb. Dealerships already close when they can't compete with larger ones! I wonder why, they all have service departments...so by your theory, they should be able to remain open by just servicing warranties, right?
Name one product that works in your model...just one that is essential and consumers will put up with it.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:15 am to Parmen
The factory doesn't want to have to deal with all the individual customers that's why they have dealerships.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:15 am to the LSUSaint
no one's suggested making dealerships illegal
but their effective monopoly or near-monopoly on new vehicles shouldn't be enforced by the government
why so irate
but their effective monopoly or near-monopoly on new vehicles shouldn't be enforced by the government
why so irate
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:18 am to the LSUSaint
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Yes, thousand of dealerships would close....you can't be this dumb. Dealerships already close when they can't compete with larger ones
That's not what I asked. You think this is the only way to get support? Is it even the only conceivable way to administer warranty support?
If business models like Tesla's can't work and would fail anyway, why is it that auto dealership associations like in LA successfully prevent Tesla and similar business models from being legal at the state level?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:20 am to Parmen
Just buy used. I find vehicles with super low miles on them all the time. I bought my wife’s car with under 8,000 miles on it. Paid 10K less than MSRP.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:21 am to Joshjrn
So you want factory owned dealerships?
Because that is the ONLY model (tesla) that has challenged the current model.
Look all.models will eventually change in some way...again, I point to Rolex or something similar.....Factories could set pricing better. Factories (GM) owns the rights to the dealership and can pull them when needed.
If you had your way, you would end up screaming "why can't we buy local and negotiate pricing?"
It's just the way it is..
Just do your due diligence and find lowest price and enjoy the warranty support you get locally.
Because that is the ONLY model (tesla) that has challenged the current model.
Look all.models will eventually change in some way...again, I point to Rolex or something similar.....Factories could set pricing better. Factories (GM) owns the rights to the dealership and can pull them when needed.
If you had your way, you would end up screaming "why can't we buy local and negotiate pricing?"
It's just the way it is..
Just do your due diligence and find lowest price and enjoy the warranty support you get locally.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:24 am to Parmen
I would like to be able to order one from Amazon.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:26 am to the LSUSaint
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So you want factory owned dealerships?
Because that is the ONLY model (tesla) that has challenged the current model.
Let's say that I do.
Why should that be illegal?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:27 am to Robin Masters
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The difference is that Tesla is just getting both the profit on the manufacturing and the sale of car. Their choice to do this was based on “speed to market” not fairness or benefit to consumer.
I could agree with this stance early on, but now they are selling at a rate of nearly 25,000 cars per quarter and have 3 production lines and 2 more about to be added.
I find it interesting they still cling to the original model and are in a steady and consistent climb in production numbers.
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