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re: Consumers should be able to buy vehicles directly from the factory
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:28 am to 90proofprofessional
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:28 am to 90proofprofessional
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no one's suggested making dealerships illegal
but their effective monopoly or near-monopoly on new vehicles shouldn't be enforced by the government
It would be a worse monopoly if people were to buy direct. As dealerships started to fold the manufacturer would gain more power over the consumer. That is when you would see Ford, GM & Dodge really run roughshod over people.
A dealer has to worry about their local reputation unlike CEO's sitting in ivory towers looking down on the little people.
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Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:33 am to 90proofprofessional
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If business models like Tesla's can't work and would fail anyway, why is it that auto dealership associations like in LA successfully prevent Tesla and similar business models from being legal at the state level?
These two points have nothing to do with each other. The viability of Teslas model has nothing to do with why the LA Auto Dealer Association lobbied to keep Tesla out. And the auto dealers decision to do so, while obviously self serving, is not inherently a negative for consumers. Look, the self driving car will probably put many dealers and manufacturers out if business in the next 10-20 years anyway. I wouldnt stress too much about it.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:39 am to slackster
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I don't disagree with your point, but let's list people products we can buy from the factory...
You should've seen the YETI factory direct order thread on the OB
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:42 am to Parmen
We bought a Volvo this year directly from their website. Built exactly what we wanted, paid a $2k deposit, and they built it. We were contacted by Volvo USA about add ons, and that's where we added a trailer hitch and load bars...we had to pick it up from the dealership though.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:49 am to Gaston
I worked with a woman that bought a Volvo and did the factory direct/Sweden trip deal. She said it was great and she saved some money.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:49 am to MoarKilometers
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All new factories should be forced to have an attached storefront open to the public
No one is saying it should be forced that you but from factory. The fact that it is illegal is the issue. Yes, you don't typically buy things from a factory as they aren't set up for it and require large volume purchases. So a distribution system falls into place. But the auto industry is one of the only things I know of where the distribution system is a legal requirement. The option of circumventing the distribution network would certainly cause some sort of competition and price drop. But special interest is the only thing stopping it.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:51 am to KG6
Alcohol distribution laws are also archaic systems meant to handicap the market
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:55 am to upgrayedd
We contemplated Euro delivery since it opens up a few optional colors and you don't have to stick with the prepackaged option bundles...but we ordered a new model and it would have delayed delivery by a good bit. We waited over 3 months as it was, but it's a cool rig.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 9:58 am to MrLarson
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You want to force factories to hire salesmen
That wouldn't be needed
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and have service departments
This would be something that would have to change. The Service Departments at dealerships would transition to independent authorized warranty repair shops.
This is a consumer question. Do consumers really want to pay the overhead so that they can see, feel, test drive their vehicle before the purchase?
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:07 am to Joshjrn
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The current system is nothing more than a protectionist racket in favor of entrenched local interests.
You still have to have a distribution network, a place where warranties and repairs are made, a place to buy parts and accessories, etc. etc.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:43 am to Parmen
How easy in your head this must sound. You have never been in sales from the ground up. Everyone wants wholesale prices.
Who are you going to discuss product with at the factory? They are busy building.
Who are you going to discuss price and return policy with? They are busy.
Who are you going to return the product to? They are crowded with product they make and have no room or people to handle such things cause they are building sh!t.
Who is going to return your money? They don't have cashiers cause they are building sh!t.
Who are you going to bitch to? They don't want to listen to you cause they are trying to build sh!t.
Factories are factories folks. They stock them with the minimum amount of people to build what they sell and it works. Not greeters or cashiers or warranty product info people to help walk off the street avg Joe.
Can't believe this got all the upvotes
Who are you going to discuss product with at the factory? They are busy building.
Who are you going to discuss price and return policy with? They are busy.
Who are you going to return the product to? They are crowded with product they make and have no room or people to handle such things cause they are building sh!t.
Who is going to return your money? They don't have cashiers cause they are building sh!t.
Who are you going to bitch to? They don't want to listen to you cause they are trying to build sh!t.
Factories are factories folks. They stock them with the minimum amount of people to build what they sell and it works. Not greeters or cashiers or warranty product info people to help walk off the street avg Joe.
Can't believe this got all the upvotes
Posted on 12/22/17 at 10:59 am to BamaScoop
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That would put too many people out of work. Do you realize that thinks like this are put in place to provide jobs. Most people in the world are fricking idiots. Jobs are created for people to prevent us from becoming a Venezuela. Most people go to work and come home and drink and watch football or grill out or whatever because they are too fricking stupid to do anything else. We create jobs to occupy the time and minds of morons so they won't become a problem. Let them be.
I am convinced!
I propose that we make backhoes and dozers illegal and subsidize the distribution of 100,000,000 shovels.
BOOM UNEMPLOYMENT SOLVED
Posted on 12/22/17 at 11:02 am to goatmilker
You didn't even read the thread.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 11:04 am to goatmilker
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How easy in your head this must sound. You have never been in sales from the ground up. Everyone wants wholesale prices.
Who are you going to discuss product with at the factory? They are busy building.
Who are you going to discuss price and return policy with? They are busy.
Who are you going to return the product to? They are crowded with product they make and have no room or people to handle such things cause they are building sh!t.
Who is going to return your money? They don't have cashiers cause they are building sh!t.
Who are you going to bitch to? They don't want to listen to you cause they are trying to build sh!t.
Factories are factories folks. They stock them with the minimum amount of people to build what they sell and it works. Not greeters or cashiers or warranty product info people to help walk off the street avg Joe.
ok let me try this again:
No one is disputing that dealers can add some value in the chain of the transaction.
The actual question is WHY DO THEY NEED A GOVERNMENT PROTECTED MONOPOLY in order to do so.
There are other ways to get cars from manufacturers to drivers, and those ideas should have a fair shake in the market.
Any one that needs laws to ensure their business survives is possibly useless.
Posted on 12/22/17 at 11:06 am to TigerRad
Got the point. Drinking more coffee.
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