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re: why do conference championships matter in the CFP discussion????
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:57 pm to HarbaughsCameraMan
Posted on 11/29/17 at 11:57 pm to HarbaughsCameraMan
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LSU won the SEC and then got screwed in 2011 having to play a BAMA team they had already beaten in Tuscaloosa.
No, LSU and Bama were clearly the best two teams. You can’t look at that National Championship game and tell me, honestly that Bama wasn’t deserving of playing in the Championship. I hate it as much as anyone else, but come on.
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Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:08 am to TexasTiger1185
Can you objectively tell me that based on how both teams had played in the regular season that Alabama at 11-1 deserved to be in that title game more than 12-1, Big 12 Champ Oklahoma State?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:24 am to kingbob
quote:who they lost to pretty much separated them bigly...
Can you objectively tell me that based on how both teams had played in the regular season that Alabama at 11-1 deserved to be in that title game more than 12-1, Big 12 Champ Oklahoma State?
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:25 am to chalmetteowl
Who they lost to should have been one of the primary reasons that Bama got left out
They had their chance. They lost. At home.
That WAS the playoff. That should have been the end of it.
They had their chance. They lost. At home.
That WAS the playoff. That should have been the end of it.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:33 am to chalmetteowl
The committee either has to either put emphasis on conference championship or not. If OSU or TCU wins, they have to legitimize conference championship game. Clearly bama is more qualified but who knows.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 12:35 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 12:50 am to chalmetteowl
A team in a conference that does not win its own conference championship, and subsequently wins the CFP is no TRUE national champion.
That's the way it ought to be. Otherwise, conferences and conference championships are worthless.
That's the way it ought to be. Otherwise, conferences and conference championships are worthless.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 1:41 am to chalmetteowl
There have been 12 spots awarded so far and 11 of them went to conference champions.
This year at least 3 and possibly all 4 spots will go to conference champions.
Winning your conference is still your ticket into the playoffs and if you don't you're probably not making it.
This year at least 3 and possibly all 4 spots will go to conference champions.
Winning your conference is still your ticket into the playoffs and if you don't you're probably not making it.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 5:10 am to loweralabamatrojan
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A team in a conference that does not win its own conference championship, and subsequently wins the CFP is no TRUE national champion.
Bingo. How can you be the National Champion if you aren't even your conference Champion?
For all of these people complaining about Conference Titles, I wonder how many teams won the "National Championship" prior to the BCS without winning their conference?
These computer polls and playoffs have introduced something that was never even an argument before. Was anyone voting someone has the National Champion without winning their conference back then?
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 5:12 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 5:28 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Is Auburn going to win the SEC and then have to beat Bama again?
Saint Nick says hell yes.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 5:39 am to themunch
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Saint Nick says hell yes.
Then it becomes that same BS from 2011 all over again.
No thanks.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 6:44 am to kingbob
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The NFL is much more forgiving,
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that discerning which teams truly are the 4 best is a hell of a lot harder.
The NFL, or really any other sport at any level, isn't attempting to determine which team is "best." Major college football is the only sport at any level that people feel the need to crown the "best" team champion.
It's accepted everywhere else that the best team doesn't always win.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 7:54 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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Why is the second game more important than the first game?
Why was the giants patriots super bowl in 2007 more important than their week 17 meeting? BECAUSE ITS THE GODDAMN CHAMPIONSHIP GAME
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And in what universe in a playoff do you have to beat the same team twice while the loser only has to beat you once?
Most postseasons under the right circumstances
Are you saying that TCU and Georgia are not rightful conference champs if they win Saturday?
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Nobody tuned in to watch the game but the two fanbases.
Which team will make the networks the most money is not a criterea
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 7:59 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:19 am to chalmetteowl
I agree completely on the crossovers and that the divisional alignment isn't fair in a lot of ways.
Mizzou makes some good points about how it's stupid one game means more than others in a rematch. If TCU and UGA win squeakers, what was the point of the first game? I guess the one thing you could say is it proves the teams were pretty close on a neutral field. But, G McElroy was going on and on yesterday about how "some games mean more than others" to justify that CCG game meaning sooooooooo much more than the prior meetings.
Mizzou makes some good points about how it's stupid one game means more than others in a rematch. If TCU and UGA win squeakers, what was the point of the first game? I guess the one thing you could say is it proves the teams were pretty close on a neutral field. But, G McElroy was going on and on yesterday about how "some games mean more than others" to justify that CCG game meaning sooooooooo much more than the prior meetings.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:48 am to loweralabamatrojan
quote:they should be. When it comes to the selection committee, there are 130 independents as far as they know.
That's the way it ought to be. Otherwise, conferences and conference championships are worthless.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 8:59 am to chalmetteowl
If you are runner up or worse in a conference you can’t be the best team in the country. Also the conference titles are a tournament and playoff also. So basically people want to dismiss the regular season tournament to give a team a subjective entry to a playoff as a mulligan.
There are very few spots for a ton of conferences and teams. There is nothing wrong with using the conference championship as an objective measure to get in. The one thing you assure is the #1 team won’t be left out. By taking non conference champions you run the risk of leaving the #1 team out.
Selecting non conference champions are for losers and their fans. Anyone advocating for it is advocating for losers and a biased system set up about money instead of competition and sportsmanship.
Also making conference championships eliminates the bull shite. Leave the conferences in charge of how they determine a champion. Conferences will be held in check by its members to maintain a legit and fair system.
As of now there is nothing keeping the committee in check because the conference as a whole won’t care who the team is as long as they get a team in.
There are very few spots for a ton of conferences and teams. There is nothing wrong with using the conference championship as an objective measure to get in. The one thing you assure is the #1 team won’t be left out. By taking non conference champions you run the risk of leaving the #1 team out.
Selecting non conference champions are for losers and their fans. Anyone advocating for it is advocating for losers and a biased system set up about money instead of competition and sportsmanship.
Also making conference championships eliminates the bull shite. Leave the conferences in charge of how they determine a champion. Conferences will be held in check by its members to maintain a legit and fair system.
As of now there is nothing keeping the committee in check because the conference as a whole won’t care who the team is as long as they get a team in.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:10 am to Colonel Flagg
It is set up though to put Alabama in if Wisconsin loses.
The Big 10 will be pissed if their champion doesn’t get in, but the committee will just tell them they didn’t select their champion before. It would be better if the OSU-Wisconsin situation was in a different conference so that conference could advocate for a conference championship rule to fix the system.
In no way should conferences want there to be a chance that a conference gets more than one team in.
The Big 10 will be pissed if their champion doesn’t get in, but the committee will just tell them they didn’t select their champion before. It would be better if the OSU-Wisconsin situation was in a different conference so that conference could advocate for a conference championship rule to fix the system.
In no way should conferences want there to be a chance that a conference gets more than one team in.
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:24 am to Colonel Flagg
quote:the #1 team is who you say it is... Of course you're going to take them
The one thing you assure is the #1 team won’t be left out. By taking non conference champions you run the risk of leaving the #1 team out.
Then after you select them you remove them from the equation and select another #1 team. Rinse and repeat until you have all the teams you need
But let's say you have a type of hiccup loss, just 1, and its early in the season, but its enough to keep you out of a CCG... And the team that beat you and went also lost a conference game and a few out of conference. Why couldn't you be the best team the first week of December?
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 9:27 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:30 am to chalmetteowl
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But let's say you have a type of hiccup loss and its early in the season, but its enough to keep you out of a CCG... Why couldn't you be the best team the first week of December?
Because that's not how college football works right now. If you want to go to 8 or 16 teams and include all conference champions plus wildcards, sure.
However, if you lose one game early and win out, and miss the conference championship game, either you finished second to an undefeated team, or you tied with the team that beat you. In either case, you don't deserve a shot at a NC, unless you have some kind of h2h win over another conference champion.
College teams play too small a percentage of the entire FBS for nonconference champions to be in the conversation simply because they are perceived to be better.
This post was edited on 11/30/17 at 9:40 am
Posted on 11/30/17 at 9:38 am to chalmetteowl
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the #1 team is who you say it is... Of course you're going to take them
Then after you select them you remove them from the equation and select another #1 team. Rinse and repeat until you have all the teams you need
I have 4 conference champions and Bama. They all have similar resumes. Logic says that if I pick the 4 conference champions that I should guarantee the best team is in the playoff. I eliminate Bama in this case because I know they didn’t win their conference; therefore, logically they can’t be the best team in the country. Leaving out a conference champion is a subjective argument “eye test
”. Posted on 11/30/17 at 11:01 am to chalmetteowl
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chalmetteowl
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Bama that year made the most of the chance they shouldn't have got
21-0. The never ending melt
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