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A team shouldn't be penalized for losing a conference championship game
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:15 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:15 am
Take Clemson this year, for example. Everyone keeps saying if they lose to Miami they'll be a 2-loss team. While that would be factually correct, they shouldn't be treated as such by the committee when comparing to teams that didn't make their conference's championship game.
The only reason they're in a position to lose a 2nd game at all is because of their excellence in the regular season. Now they might be penalized for doing too well?
It might be better to scrap conference championship games altogether and expand to an 8-team playoff.
The only reason they're in a position to lose a 2nd game at all is because of their excellence in the regular season. Now they might be penalized for doing too well?
It might be better to scrap conference championship games altogether and expand to an 8-team playoff.
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:17 am to RidiculousHype
So we should pretend like it never happened?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:17 am to RidiculousHype
So auburn should be in with 3 losses? Nope.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:17 am to RidiculousHype
Agreed. Either make it a requirement to win your conference, or ignore/remove conference title games.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:17 am to RidiculousHype
Yea bama didn’t even need to play in one to get into the championship game in 2012. I don’t even know why we play conference championship games
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:18 am to RidiculousHype
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:26 am to RidiculousHype
If I remember right, this was one of the main arguments against the SEC Championship game when it was created, but for the most part, it has helped propel teams to a national title rather than keep them from it.
There are a few exceptions... 2001 for instance Tennessee would have played in the championship game if LSU hadn't upset them.
There are a few exceptions... 2001 for instance Tennessee would have played in the championship game if LSU hadn't upset them.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:32 am to RidiculousHype
Several years ago when Kansas and Missouri were both pretty good- back in the Chase Daniel years. Kansas played Missouri and the winner went to the Big 12 conference game. Missouri waxed Kansas and then lost the Big 12 conference game.
Kansas went to the Orange Bowl, I think. Missouri went to a much smaller bowl. Reason was, i think without looking it up, is that Kansas was undefeated when they played Mizzou and Mizzou already had a loss. The conference championship was Mizzou's second loss, I think, and cost them a major bowl trip.
^^ Hopefully the human factor included in the committee wouldn't let a situation like above happen. I think they should be "penalized" but it shouldn't be an automatic disqualifier either. Take everything into consideration..
Kansas went to the Orange Bowl, I think. Missouri went to a much smaller bowl. Reason was, i think without looking it up, is that Kansas was undefeated when they played Mizzou and Mizzou already had a loss. The conference championship was Mizzou's second loss, I think, and cost them a major bowl trip.
^^ Hopefully the human factor included in the committee wouldn't let a situation like above happen. I think they should be "penalized" but it shouldn't be an automatic disqualifier either. Take everything into consideration..
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 7:33 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:37 am to RidiculousHype
It's going to be so lame if UGA and TCU win close games after getting thumped earlier by the same opponent.
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 7:38 am
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:47 am to RidiculousHype
A simple fix is the four best conference champions, and two at large bids. 1 and 2 seeds get first round bye.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:50 am to RidiculousHype
I get what you're saying, but your logic is flawed. You should get penalized for losing your conference game, you just shouldnt be rewarded for not playing in it.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:52 am to RidiculousHype
8 team playoff, 5 conference champs and 3 at large. Everybody's happy.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 7:54 am to RidiculousHype
quote:
Take Clemson this year, for example. Everyone keeps saying if they lose to Miami they'll be a 2-loss team. While that would be factually correct, they shouldn't be treated as such by the committee when comparing to teams that didn't make their conference's championship game.
The only reason they're in a position to lose a 2nd game at all is because of their excellence in the regular season. Now they might be penalized for doing too well?
It might be better to scrap conference championship games altogether and expand to an 8-team playoff.
I agree with your premise in theory but if Clemson losses this weekend don't we already know they aren't the best team in the country? They will have lost on a neutral field to another top 10 team.
Everyone keeps saying "best 4 best 4" but they take the best 4 to give themselves the highest chance to get the best 1, which is the real goal. The goal is to make sure the best team in the country is in the field of 4, then has the chance to prove it. Or at least to me.
The same could be said for all the conference title games. If you are THE best team in the country, you win this weekend, simple as that
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:10 am to RidiculousHype
quote:I would prefer this. Play your regular season schedule and then go to the playoffs. It would make for a more exciting CFB playoff IMO.
scrap conference championship games altogether and expand to an 8-team playoff
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:12 am to RidiculousHype
Conference championship games should be looked at like the first rd of the playoffs. If you win you're in
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:13 am to RidiculousHype
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It might be better to scrap conference championship games altogether and expand to an 8-team playoff.
I agree to an 8-team playoff IF you're only going to have it among the P5 conferences but I don't agree with scrapping the conference winner.
Winning your conference should count for something. In EVERY OTHER SPORT the conference winner is GUARANTEED to go to a post-season tournament.
In a P5 playoff, the winners of the SEC, ACC, Big 10, Big 12, and PAC-12 should be guaranteed a playoff spot. Then pick the next best three teams.
(Of course, I would then hold a similar G5 playoff with the winners of the Sun Belt, Mountain West, American, C-USA, and MAC plus three more)
Posted on 11/28/17 at 8:21 am to RidiculousHype
quote:this is the trade off for having one. Want extra revenue for your conference? Take the risk of your team getting left out the play offs.
Message A team shouldn't be penalized for losing a conference championship game
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:18 am to RidiculousHype
I couldn't agree with the OP more. However, the team with the bigger complaint is Wisconsin. They finished 12-0 while Ohio St. finished 10-2 and Bama finished 11-1. All things being equal, Wisconsin deserves to be in the playoffs ahead of those two teams. But things aren't equal. Wisconsin is forced to play an extra game because they did so well. If they lose, they almost assuredly get bumped from the playoffs in favor of Alabama and the rationale will be they both have 1 loss but Alabama is the better team (and I agree Alabama is subjectively the better team). But it's not an equal comparison. The ONLY reason Wisconsin has that one loss is because they had to play an extra game.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:29 am to RidiculousHype
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The only reason they're in a position to lose a 2nd game at all is because of their excellence in the regular season.
The ACC Atlantic was shite this season. Clemson was the only team in the division with fewer than 4 losses. If they hadn't lost to a 4-8 Syracuse team, they still could probably get into the CFP with a loss in the ACC CG if it was a close game.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:48 am to RidiculousHype
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It might be better to scrap conference championship games altogether and expand to an 8-team playoff.
i think you will get many down votes because of how you worded the question. i get what you are saying though.
you are saying since they have to play one more game then everyone else does, that loss is not worse then a team who didnt play the extra game because if that is the case, you are automatically crediting them with assuming they had won a game they never played if you move them over a team that lost by playing an extra game.
i can see both sides of that coin but not sure how to "fairly" play these extra games unless the playoffs go like this:
5 major conferences settle who gets in with conference championship games as a first round playoff game
the 6 best non conference teams play in a first round playoff game at sites TBD.
after the dust settles you have 8 teams who battle it out on the field, not on who the best liked team is.
the 5 conference winners and 3 at large teams play in what is a second round of playoff games, then 2 final games are played to determine the teams playing for the national championship.
first week 16 teams, second week 8 teams, third week 4, then the national championship game in week 4.
this doesnt completely remove the current "popularity of team" always seems to get in over other teams with a better record that we have now (see ND, ohio state, alabama, etc), but it is about as close to a fair and unbiased record and play on the field gets you there system as you can ever get.
i personally like the 16 team playoff because it is the most fair and it means more games but it also competes with the 257 bowl games filled with 5-7 teams playing like we see now so for money reasons i doubt they would ever allow it. plus it takes away their ability to do things like last year with ohio state getting in when they never earned that right to be there if the system was fair
This post was edited on 11/28/17 at 10:00 am
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