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Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:09 am to Tiger Ree
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What would erase goodwill? Promoting Corey Raymond?
Promoting a guy with no DC experience after selling yourself on "getting the best" would absolutely destroy his credibility.
You don't over-promise and under-deliver. That's how people get fired.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:17 am to Goldrush25
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This cannot be proven or disproven. Basically you're talking out of your arse.
No stating my opinion along with facts of recruits that Eaux received commits and signatures within two days of signing day. Chaisson, Taylor and Phillips would not be at LSU if Eaux was not at LSU. Harris was a signing day decision between Bama and LSU and most expected him to go to Bama.
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All we know is most of these guys were already committed when Miles was still here. That is unable to be disputed. You have no idea what they were thinking during the process.
True, and I would like to think that the Louisiana recruits would have signed with LSU regardless. JaCoby Stevens would most likely have still come no matter who the coach was. The other 12 out-of-state recruits had no ties to LSU what-so-ever could have been a different story.
Coach Eaux did not have ONE player that was committed to Miles NOT sign on the dotted line. And also added very quality players. That is an amazing feat !!! That is not disputable.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:18 am to RB10
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You don't over-promise and under-deliver. That's how people get fired.
"Wait...I think I just heard my name called."
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:20 am to GeauxTigerTM
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goal post moving to accommodate the new normal around here is a mistake for the long term health of the program as a whole.
What goal post moving? If there was any of that, tell me some of the detriment we have experienced so far.
I have been so caught up in the football team's apparent turn-around that I totally missed all the mistakes that are affecting the long-term health of the program. Thanks in advance !!!
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:23 am to 756
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I have respect for O for stepping aside to let the coordinators do their job
O was instructed to do that by his boss
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I have little respect for JA
me too, but Alleva got O to back off, and that's when the turnaround started
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I still am unclear about exactly what our HC is contributing beyond recruiting.
completely agree.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:24 am to Tiger Ree
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What goal post moving?
I'm not getting into this with you anymore. There is literally no one on this site doing more work on behalf of this staff than you, on multiple boards. I and others have continually listed what we consider to be the shifting sands of expectations for the program and the desire to call something great that was just recently described as wildly underachieving.
I don;t post a ton...if you're really interested in finding any number of my long as diatribes on this subject search my name and scroll for about 2 minutes. I'm not typing it all out again for you. You disagree...fine. But spare me the suggestion that you're ignorant as to what the argument are, ok?
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:25 am to RB10
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If you're going to give credit to one recruiting coordinator you have to give credit to both.
I gave credit to Frank Wilson.
The new guy doesn't deserve credit for shite, he deserves a swift kick in the arse on his way out the door after being fired. Coach Eaux shut down all on-campus recruiting after becoming the IHC. No official visits were allowed until after a permanent head coach was hired.
The new RC was fired for not doing one of the MAIN responsibilities of the position. He had a WR committed since September that the LSU coaching staff found out would not qualify ON SIGNING DAY. That and he totally sucked as a WR coach also.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:28 am to Tiger Ree
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I gave credit to Frank Wilson.
The new guy doesn't deserve credit for shite, he deserves a swift kick in the arse on his way out the door after being fired. Coach Eaux shut down all on-campus recruiting after becoming the IHC. No official visits were allowed until after a permanent head coach was hired.
The new RC was fired for not doing one of the MAIN responsibilities of the position. He had a WR committed since September that the LSU coaching staff found out would not qualify ON SIGNING DAY. That and he totally sucked as a WR coach also.
Like I said before, you seem like a very rational individual.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:34 am to RB10
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Promoting a guy with no DC experience after selling yourself on "getting the best" would absolutely destroy his credibility.
I think that most people would be pulling for that. Corey is a fantastic coach and recruiter. If the DB's being mentioned on the recruiting board do indeed come to LSU it will because of Corey.
I may be wrong, but I though Corey was the most popular coach on this board.
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You don't over-promise and under-deliver. That's how people get fired
I think it may well be the people who do the firing that will request the promotion. I think the majority on this board and the normal LSU fans would like to see it also.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:34 am to LSUTigerBait07
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when we started the season, growing pains happen. What they have done with our undermanned lines is nothing short of remarkable. Maybe he can turn it around. He embodies Louisiana, it would be nice if Cajun rainman could actually do the job... I'm starting to believe he can
Orgeron has always had a long road to survive here. To be a long term coach he needs to:
* Avoid the terrible season (this almost got him this year, but he survived it)
* Land consistently highly rated recruiting classes (Last year's finish was awesome. This year doesn't look nearly as good on paper. Strangely enough, Orgeron's biggest perceived strength isn't a sure thing.)
* Navigate the high profile coordinator pitfalls (He may be facing this already in the offseason...before he re-established the program. That could be a big problem)
This year looks like it will turn out to not be a disaster. If they win 9+ games, it will/should actually be viewed as a very good coaching job. Having said that, until Orgeron gets the program winning 10-11 games, he's one disaster season away from being fired.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:36 am to I20goon
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My point... as I said above, is that 3rd place finishes are the norm now.
This
LSU is a middle of the pack SEC squad.
The sooner you suckholes come to terms with this and stop living vicariously through 18 to 20 year olds, the better life will be for you.
Y'all bitch about O but the fact of the matter is that no high end coach is interested in taking the reins here.
Football is not life, its entertainment...
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:37 am to Tiger Ree
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I think it may well be the people who do the firing that will request the promotion. I think the majority on this board and the normal LSU fans would like to see it also.
You think a majority of the people on this board will want a DC with zero experience?
Wow.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:38 am to BDJ
quote:Except O himself said he meddled in Canada's offense to dumb it down and it cost lsu the troy game. then they have a meeting and boom orgeron isn't doing anything which is great. it's yielded great results.
You don't know WHAT was said
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:39 am to GeauxTigerTM
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But spare me the suggestion that you're ignorant as to what the argument are, ok?
So basically, what you're saying is, is that you say the goal posts are moving but don't actually have any proof to back it up.
Not surprised that happens a lot on this board and is of course happening in this very thread. Posters are actually using Chris Landry's fake news of Alleva telling Eaux to not coach. shite is hilarious !!!
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:40 am to bengalfan50
I wish Alleva had told Miles to stay out of the offense.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:42 am to RB10
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Like I said before, you seem like a very rational individual.
I'm really sorry if you are a huge Dameyune Craig fan and I hurt your feelings.
If you followed recruiting and the LSU football team last season you would also probably realize that LSU could do much better than your guy.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:46 am to Tiger Ree
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I'm really sorry if you are a huge Dameyune Craig fan and I hurt your feelings.
I couldn't care less about Craig.
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If you followed recruiting and the LSU football team last season you would also probably realize that LSU could do much better than your guy.
Craig helped bring in the 7th rated class, and according to you the recruiting coordinators deserve more credit than the head coach. Without Craig, or any recruiting coordinator, 2018's class is looking to be LSU's worst in a decade. Who's going to be held responsible for that? We all know you will do everything you can to deflect blame from Orgeron.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:53 am to Dissident Aggressor
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LSU is a middle of the pack SEC squad.
It's the selective memory some of the posters here employ. In their minds Miles won the SEC every year he was at LSU.
It's funny, when Miles took over LSU the idiots hated him and loved Saban.
Now Eaux has taken over and the idiots hate him and NOW love Miles even though they hated him while he was the HC.
If nothing else, this board is always entertaining because a small vocal portion of the posters.
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that no high end coach is interested in taking the reins here
You're only saying that because all of the other guys told LSU to frick off.
Posted on 11/7/17 at 9:54 am to RB10
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You think a majority of the people on this board will want a DC with zero experience?
If it comes to Corey Raymond being the DC or losing him to a competitor, YES I do.
You don't?
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