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re: The problems, straight from the horse's mouth

Posted on 9/25/17 at 2:57 pm to
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68678 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 2:57 pm to
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2: We are also thin at receiver.


We're really not, it's on the coaches if they cant find 4 reliable receivers to go to out of:

Chark
Gage
Dillion
Davis
Sullivan
Stevens
Anderson
Netherly
McMath
Jefferson

How many do you need to not be a "depth problem". They are all healthy too. 6 of them had LSU game experience prior to this season.
Posted by emt007
Member since Aug 2017
364 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:01 pm to
Can't tell you how many times I saw either two OLs down field looking like buffoons or on the ground for whatever reason
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
8642 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:01 pm to
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We're really not, it's on the coaches if they cant find 4 reliable receivers to go to out of:


I mean we're thin at receiver experience (Chark a junior, Gage a senior, right?). Their performance has not been consistent either. Also, you can't put all of them on the field at once, especially when you keep seven to block and one to throw.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67994 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:02 pm to
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No, we're not. The MSU game was terrible but I really don't think the issue is primarily talent or strength. That said, we're not a championship-level team but we could be a 2 or 3 loss team if the players start to execute the way they need to.



Delusional
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
89798 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:03 pm to
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I think if we clean up the completely blown assignments


On offense, when we block it correctly, that tends to be an positive play. Our running production is down - under 5 yards per carry. At this point, I would open it up and run shotgun - not necessarily with tempo - but shotgun sets. Heck, you can run out of them, particularly on 1st down - CEH is made for that. And if they load the box and you're in the shotgun with 3 wides, you ought to be able to hit a quick slant or quick out with timing.

Defensively, we have to get better overall play out of the dline and better tackling from the backers and DBs - assignment wise, we're doing "okay" on defense with the young players, we're just having trouble finishing plays since Chatt. We're getting some pressure on the QBs, but MSU and Cuse got the ball out so quickly, pressure didn't help as much as we would like.
Posted by deathvalleyfreak43
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
13314 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:04 pm to
quote:

How many do you need to not be a "depth problem". They are all healthy too. 6 of them had LSU game experience prior to this season.


You're catching on to the constant excuses
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10455 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:06 pm to
quote:


The problems, straight from the horse's mouth
we're in a lot of trouble


Tru dat...
Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
3621 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:11 pm to
I'm not delusional. The D is going to gel and will get much better when Herron and Alexander are back. We've got a bunch of young guys who are making mistakes but getting experience. The biggest thing they need to do is to grow in their mental toughness and execute.

I think the OL is missing assignments and will get better. If not, I like the idea of moving Clapp to guard.

Brennan is getting great experience and they are using him exactly as they should right now.

If you think we are in serious trouble (e.g. losing every SEC game) do yourself a favor and check in next year.
Posted by R11
Member since Aug 2017
3481 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:15 pm to
I don't understand how you get to this level in your career as an Olinman and you can't fricking block.


6-5 300lbs and you know the fricking snap count plus what guy is yours and you can't block him.
I just don't get it.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26772 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:16 pm to
Start Brennan
Shotgun, four wide (Chark, Davis, Anderson, Dillon. Sullivan 5th, Netherly 6th)
Quick passing game
Don't be afraid to go over middle, ints happen
Continue to get the RB involved in the passing game. Barkley from Penn St has 23 catches and 335 yards receiving only 4 games into the season.
Have to throw the ball a lot more. The ground game isn't going to work vs the SEC with how bad the OL is playing and nobody respects our passing.
This post was edited on 9/26/17 at 8:43 am
Posted by rantfan
new iberia la
Member since Nov 2012
14110 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:16 pm to
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I think the OL is missing assignments and will get better.


What makes you think this, seriously? If they haven't caught on by now when will they?
This post was edited on 9/25/17 at 3:17 pm
Posted by SCwTiger
armpit of 'merica
Member since Aug 2014
5866 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:17 pm to
quote:

we will look good against Troy

We're lowering expectations every day.

LSU's got a long row to hoe -
Posted by LSUStar
Medellin
Member since Sep 2009
10455 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:18 pm to
If the line cannot block there really is not much to do to compensate. LSU will suffer (losses). They looked awful against Syracuse and MSU. Just awful. Another Miles legacy.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9125 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:20 pm to
I really like what we did right before half-time. There were lots of tight double route concepts where the WR fakes one way then turns 180 deg in the other direction. These concepts slow down the defender and are quick at the same time. I also like the HB route Cam Cameron used, where he takes the back and sends him either through or around the LOS, then over the middle and either stops or continues depending on the coverage.

Canada must find a way to attack an aggressive defense and our offense must perfect this with quick throws. Etling needs to be smarter as well. Use the pump fake against defense's who put their hands up, pump fake, slide, and throw.

Something else the offense could do much better is selling the PA pass. When we do a good job of selling it, it works well. When it's ran half arse, it normally fools no one. Canada just needs to find a way to make this offense drive the field. The motions we use here at this time, aren't what Canada used at Pitt. They had much more variation and used 3 to 4 options. I think it's our personell not his offense. They just can't run it efficiently for whatever reason.

They can still use it but wait until we have a defense guessing before we do it. He simply has to be more creative in his play calling and find ways to attack an aggressive defense. Every defense will play aggressive against us so find a way to attack that. Also have a plan to attack it when they back off. LSU has to be more prepared, and have back up plans ready. Our fakes are much more simple then what he used at Pitt and that's why it works so well over there. He had multiple people doing 3 to 4 different things in the back field and that's what fooled teams. LSU runs like 2 options out of it. If you send someone in motion throw the ball to that guy after you fake to him, then fake the hand off to Guice. You could fake the hand off to the motion guy, fake the throw, then hand it off to Guice. But for these fakes to work you have to hurt the defense with something similar first, so run a similar offense without the fakes first, hurt the defense on quick throws, to the flats, over the middle, using the backs, TEs, WRs, and then start moving folks all over the place, using fakes and such. It's not going to work straight out the gate while the defense is at its best and has nothing to be concerned with. Our offense should build into that type of game IMO.

There are many options when you use all these fakes and you have to show that some of it is quick so the defense doesn't just crash in. You have to let them crash in a few times, and hurt them when they do it. The next time they'll back off a bit. Etling also is never an option to run which he should IMO to add another wrinkle to a defense focusing on our RBs. I liked the shovel passes they used against Cuse but they were ready for it. Not every team will be ready for that so keep that as an option. Canada just needs to trust that our offense can perform. If he doesn't then his offense will be limited. We have to use everything or simplify it completely, one or the other. Maybe I'm just crazy lol
Posted by Manswers
Michigan
Member since Feb 2009
3621 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:23 pm to
We're 3 games in to the season with a new OC with a bunch of motion and new blocking schemes. Add to that we've a got a few FR that are in the rotation. They will get it right. The big thing is for each player to play with mental toughness and improve on execution.

The coaches may also make a few changes.

We had a terrible game against MSU but honestly the team looked like it quit (i.e. lacked mental toughness). The OL missed a bunch of assignments against Syracuse and FR made mistakes at key times against Syracuse, otherwise it would have been a blowout.

They will get better as long as they get and stay mentally tough.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17906 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:30 pm to
Ideally
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
70986 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

They recognize a problem and try to fix it. If it doesn't work, they try something else.


honestly, while I am clearly on the "I hate the Orgeron hire" train, this is at least refreshing. The last 3 years with Miles it seemed as though some blatant problem areas were just not being addressed. Felt like I was taking crazy pills.
Posted by Tigerbait357
Member since Jun 2011
67994 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:37 pm to
I'm getting fed up with the amount of excuses. Yes we are thin in some areas and it will be a struggle but we still shouldn't be playing this poorly.

A lot of our issues reflect poor coaching on the offensive side of the ball between Grimes and Canada's play calling
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28505 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:39 pm to
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Well I thought the whole point of why teams go 4 wide and spread out is to move defensive players out of the box and into coverage forcing them to cover/tackle in space.


Or run screens and quick throws...right? we bitch about the Oline not blocking, but we make our gameplan dependent on the oline blocking long developing plays.
Posted by SportTiger1
Stonewall, LA
Member since Feb 2007
28505 posts
Posted on 9/25/17 at 3:41 pm to
quote:

I'm getting fed up with the amount of excuses. Yes we are thin in some areas and it will be a struggle but we still shouldn't be playing this poorly.

A lot of our issues reflect poor coaching on the offensive side of the ball between Grimes and Canada's play calling


I have absolutely no problem with using the 'depth and talent' excuses against teams with more depth and talent, i.e. Florida, Auburn, Bama, and maybe even Tenn.

The problem is we lost to a team that STILL has less talent on the Oline and Dline, and barely beating a team that would have exactly ZERO startes on either of our lines.
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