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LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:27 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:27 am
any claim that O needs time to rebuild (in whatever manner the argument is posted) is complete and utter hogwash. one of, if not THE primary reasons that O was hired was to maintain continuity and talent (especially that recruiting class that apparently we could never live without, year after year).
any claim that Canada needs more time works against O, also, because basically the rest of his sales pitch was that in addition to continuity (aka, no rebuild), he would hire the best coordinators and they would keep the team rolling. so Canada (and whatever OC replaces him when he leaves) get 0 patience or waiting time because we were promised that we would have a top offense with a revolving door of OCs and there would never be a drop off in production. that is Ed's phil-O-sophy (And the same argument will apply to the D when Aranda leaves. O has no room for any mistakes in hiring coordinators since he is completely reliant on them)
so anyone who is arguing for patience or saying that we have to wait for "O to get his guys in" are arguing against O, because they are showing why he was either too stupid to know there would be a rebuild or that he lied to our AD when our AD decided he wasn't going to do an actual coaching search and went with the laziest choice in modern college football.
any claim that Canada needs more time works against O, also, because basically the rest of his sales pitch was that in addition to continuity (aka, no rebuild), he would hire the best coordinators and they would keep the team rolling. so Canada (and whatever OC replaces him when he leaves) get 0 patience or waiting time because we were promised that we would have a top offense with a revolving door of OCs and there would never be a drop off in production. that is Ed's phil-O-sophy (And the same argument will apply to the D when Aranda leaves. O has no room for any mistakes in hiring coordinators since he is completely reliant on them)
so anyone who is arguing for patience or saying that we have to wait for "O to get his guys in" are arguing against O, because they are showing why he was either too stupid to know there would be a rebuild or that he lied to our AD when our AD decided he wasn't going to do an actual coaching search and went with the laziest choice in modern college football.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:28 am to SlowFlowPro
LSU has been in a rebuild on the OL and DL for 3 years....with little success.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
LSU hired O for continuity, so basically the powers that be did not want a rebuild, they wanted a refresh.
this program needed new fresh ideas, not just a new coat of paint to cover up problems in the past.
this program needed new fresh ideas, not just a new coat of paint to cover up problems in the past.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
amazing this "rebuild narrative" has been created in just a few days. nobody was mentioning a rebuild until after state drilled us by 30.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:29 am to SlowFlowPro
have an upvote
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
Dumb thread is really dumb. No matter how you slice it, LSU has a new head coach and new offense coordinator. Whether CEO was already in the program or served as interim is irrelevant.
Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"
Promote a new guy to HC and OC in ANY program and there will be "rebuilding"
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:31 am to SlowFlowPro
The bar is being constantly lowered so O could meet it. Publicly, perception was he had to go undefeated last year to get the job. Then it was he could lose one game if he beat Bama. Then it was they looked good so who cares how many they lost.
On a macro level, we went from winning 10 games is not enough to publicly people on here saying they expect to win 8 or 9 games with O. If O can't meet expectations of the program, we shouldn't adjust the expectations to rationalize a mistake. You can't hire a CEO who campaigned on not doing anything and hiring good people. It doesn't work.
On a macro level, we went from winning 10 games is not enough to publicly people on here saying they expect to win 8 or 9 games with O. If O can't meet expectations of the program, we shouldn't adjust the expectations to rationalize a mistake. You can't hire a CEO who campaigned on not doing anything and hiring good people. It doesn't work.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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any claim that O needs time to rebuild (in whatever manner the argument is posted) is complete and utter hogwash.
Anytime you lose 14/22 starters (and in key positions), you have to rebuild in some form or fashion.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:34 am to SlowFlowPro
maybe we should just fire him and Canada immediately. see where that leaves the program. ya think any coach would want to come to LSU then?
you and others are determined to "prove" O was a bad hire after one frickin' game. what a waste of time.
you and others are determined to "prove" O was a bad hire after one frickin' game. what a waste of time.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
Thank you.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:37 am to SlowFlowPro
It's sad I have but one upvote to give.
Yup.
I hammered most of the summer. The plan doesn't make sense unless O can routinely 1) Hire the very best coordinators nearly most likely every 1-2 years 2) Incorporate new philosophies very quickly
This whole idea that the THE PLAN is to constantly hire the best coordinators IS DUMB. There's no guiding philosophy, there's no single, strong vision leading them. We're just running a separate offense and defense, not an overall game plan.
There's a difference between a head coach where the plan is do control the game of football by doing x, y, and z and hiring coordinators that can help that vision - and having to do that frequently..... and planning to hire coordinators frequently as the basis of the plan.
It's mindboggling that people don't see that.
I still askk: What is O's vision for LSU football? How does he want to win games? How does he approach the game of football?
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any claim that O needs time to rebuild (in whatever manner the argument is posted) is complete and utter hogwash. one of, if not THE primary reasons that O was hired was to maintain continuity and talent (especially that recruiting class that apparently we could never live without, year after year).
Yup.
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any claim that Canada needs more time works against O, also, because basically the rest of his sales pitch was that in addition to continuity (aka, no rebuild), he would hire the best coordinators and they would keep the team rolling. so Canada (and whatever OC replaces him when he leaves) get 0 patience or waiting time because we were promised that we would have a top offense with a revolving door of OCs and there would never be a drop off in production. that is Ed's phil-O-sophy (And the same argument will apply to the D when Aranda leaves. O has no room for any mistakes in hiring coordinators since he is completely reliant on them)
I hammered most of the summer. The plan doesn't make sense unless O can routinely 1) Hire the very best coordinators nearly most likely every 1-2 years 2) Incorporate new philosophies very quickly
This whole idea that the THE PLAN is to constantly hire the best coordinators IS DUMB. There's no guiding philosophy, there's no single, strong vision leading them. We're just running a separate offense and defense, not an overall game plan.
There's a difference between a head coach where the plan is do control the game of football by doing x, y, and z and hiring coordinators that can help that vision - and having to do that frequently..... and planning to hire coordinators frequently as the basis of the plan.
It's mindboggling that people don't see that.
I still askk: What is O's vision for LSU football? How does he want to win games? How does he approach the game of football?
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 8:39 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
I just love the emergence of these "rebuild" and "O needs time" narratives.
Where was this shite before the season or before the State blowout? Ed O certainly wasn't pushing any of these narratives.
Ed O wasn't hired to effectuate a "rebuild." He was a Mike Archer type hire for continuity and the players. When you hire for these reasons, an administration thinks they can still win. Well, that worked for about a season with Archer and looks to be even worse under O.
Where was this shite before the season or before the State blowout? Ed O certainly wasn't pushing any of these narratives.
Ed O wasn't hired to effectuate a "rebuild." He was a Mike Archer type hire for continuity and the players. When you hire for these reasons, an administration thinks they can still win. Well, that worked for about a season with Archer and looks to be even worse under O.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:41 am to SlowFlowPro
So wait, we are highly talented on the OL? We have experienced depth on the DL? With the injuries and suspensions? Hmmmm
Damn I didn't realize that. I guess you are right.
Damn I didn't realize that. I guess you are right.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Agree it's not a rebuild. But sustaining at this point is 8-4. That's where we were last year. O needs to manage that and grow from there
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
I don't so much disagree with what you are saying but it doesn't change the fact that recruiting and player retention slipped over the past few years of the Miles era. The problems are especially acute on both lines and probably at WR, as well. O and his coordinators need to a better job with what they have than what was shown against State, but the talent has slipped.
What I suppose it gets down to is how long a leash you give O. Does he get 3 years no matter what to get his guys in? Or does he get less time because of how he billed himself?
For my part, I'm willing to see what he and his coordinators can do after a really rough start. As bad as that was, there is still a long way to go in this season.
What I suppose it gets down to is how long a leash you give O. Does he get 3 years no matter what to get his guys in? Or does he get less time because of how he billed himself?
For my part, I'm willing to see what he and his coordinators can do after a really rough start. As bad as that was, there is still a long way to go in this season.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild
I agree, but so what? You want us to say "this is not acceptable!" OK, I think that's been covered.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
You know damn well orgeron will have his marketing hype team. Start spinning this disaster so nothing sticks to him.
Doesn't matter tho because anyone with a working brain could see what an unthinkable atrocious hire this was. I still. Can't believe they hired him. It defies explanation.
Doesn't matter tho because anyone with a working brain could see what an unthinkable atrocious hire this was. I still. Can't believe they hired him. It defies explanation.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 8:59 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
While true, and while agreeing that the whole premise that we will always be able to hire top flight coordinators is pie in the sky, the condition of our o-line was going to be an issue for ANY coach this year. That falls back on the previous staff for years of defunct OL recruitment and management. Similar can be said for our current WR situation. We are set up with good freshman QB's so time will tell with that position.
I do think there's a lot of overreaction going on in pinning this loss entirely on O and using it as an extrapolation on his ability to manage a winning program going forward.
I do think there's a lot of overreaction going on in pinning this loss entirely on O and using it as an extrapolation on his ability to manage a winning program going forward.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:02 am to SlowFlowPro
Well, they're coming out of the woodwork.
Summarizing succinctly all the bullshite from the O pumpers, some other posters and I have been proven right.
A significant part of this fan base--and a significant part of the BOS-- is okay with mediocrity, because now "we gots a corch dat tawks lak us, sha!"
To them, it was never about Miles.
And that weasel Alleva couldn't be happier because his job is more secure, when his seat should be on fire.
Alleva is doing his best to lower the bar of expectations, and with the number of idiots in this fan base, he's succeeding.
Summarizing succinctly all the bullshite from the O pumpers, some other posters and I have been proven right.
A significant part of this fan base--and a significant part of the BOS-- is okay with mediocrity, because now "we gots a corch dat tawks lak us, sha!"
To them, it was never about Miles.
And that weasel Alleva couldn't be happier because his job is more secure, when his seat should be on fire.
Alleva is doing his best to lower the bar of expectations, and with the number of idiots in this fan base, he's succeeding.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 9:06 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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o anyone who is arguing for patience or saying that we have to wait for "O to get his guys in" are arguing against O, because they are showing why he was either too stupid to know there would be a rebuild
Eh, everyone with a brain knew this would be a transition year, no matter who we hired.
The O haters used this against him, saying the standard should always be 10 wins blah blah blah. He has been set up to fail from the start because they said it can't be a rebuild when they damn well knew it would be at least a year before he could replenish the talent we lost in the offseason.
it's not really about getting "his guys" in. Just needs to keep building. This team isn't very good and that would be for any coach here
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