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re: Honest Question to Libs regarding ANTIFA and Neo-Nazis
Posted on 8/26/17 at 11:05 am to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 8/26/17 at 11:05 am to Draconian Sanctions
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antifa are misguided losers who need to be kicked out of mom's basement and/or thrown in jail, but I'm not sure you can say they are as bad as literal nazi's
You mean 1930's/1940's nazis or 2017 nazis?
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Posted on 8/26/17 at 11:06 am to ibleedprplngld
Not a liberal, but I have no problem categorizing them both as deviant trouble makers and should be presented as evidence why we should keep abortions legal.
Posted on 8/26/17 at 11:10 am to 9th life
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Those small numbers makes it even more baffling to me that trump wouldnt condemn them initially. No one would tell him to pump the brakes if he had done so. Or at least no one worth taking seriously.
I would argue that most of us would not have even noticed what he said. The media is constantly dissecting every word President Trump says, though, and they think they have a winning issue. I think that President Trump would have said it different if he'd known how much backlash he would get.
Let's face it, it doesn't matter what he said, the left would have found a way to criticize it.
Posted on 8/26/17 at 11:22 am to Jax-Tiger
Let's face it, it was a brilliant move on the part of ANTIFA. They have marketed themselves as an "anti-fascist" group for years, and we're irrelevant - because they didn't have any actual fascists to fight. With an influx of money from some radical leftists, they have tried to label Donald Trump as a fascist, and it was getting them in trouble because nobody bought into their violent tactics and nobody believed that Trump and his supporters are Fascists.
By picking a fight with the KKK and the Nazis, they were able to find their fascists. Finally they could get some positive PR.
I think liberals should be careful about supporting these loo s, thiugh, because I have a feeling that ANTIFA is going to be emboldened by their recent publicity and some of their members are going to embarrass them.
ANTIFA's leadership is smart, but most of their members are radical nuts.
By picking a fight with the KKK and the Nazis, they were able to find their fascists. Finally they could get some positive PR.
I think liberals should be careful about supporting these loo s, thiugh, because I have a feeling that ANTIFA is going to be emboldened by their recent publicity and some of their members are going to embarrass them.
ANTIFA's leadership is smart, but most of their members are radical nuts.
Posted on 8/26/17 at 11:31 am to ibleedprplngld
Almost all the liberals I know can't stand them. There are a couple I know who put their blinders on and try to convince themselves the group isn't evil because they don't want to accept there is a terrible grp on the left.
Posted on 8/26/17 at 11:42 am to ChineseBandit58
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They did not come out to Charolettesville to advance an ideology, they came out to make a scene. Antifa came out not to promote or defend an ideology
What the frick?? And you know this how?
Posted on 8/26/17 at 12:21 pm to PDXDawg
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Because you and the pres are essentially equating a group of idiots who, yes, are sometimes violent, but in general just have a dumb political view, with Nazis - people who literally advocate for genocide. They are not the same thing. If trump wants to call out antifa that's fine but he should've picked a better time to do it. Charlottesville was not on them. And they are still not Nazis. I can't believe I have to explain this to you
Nobody is responsible for more deaths than the left. The talley isn't even close. The left is infinitely worse than the Nazis and I can't believe that someone would have to explain that to you.
Posted on 8/26/17 at 12:37 pm to PDXDawg
quote:They are always violent.
sometimes violent
Posted on 8/26/17 at 12:40 pm to Big12fan
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should be presented as evidence why we should keep abortions legal.
How does abortion solve the issue of ANTIFA and Nazis?
Posted on 8/26/17 at 1:20 pm to ibleedprplngld
quote:After your open and honest dialog, are you going to ask the same question to conservatives and anti-protesters? Because if not, then we'll all know you're just another hack on the poliboard.
Honest Question to Libs regarding ANTIFA and Neo-Nazis
I'd like to have an open and honest dialog with any willing Liberal and/or ANTIFA supporter.
My question is simple. Why is it, in your eyes, not acceptable to condemn both sides? Why is it that if an individual thinks they're both idiots, they're labeled by your end of the spectrum as a racist or a bigot?
This post was edited on 8/26/17 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 8/26/17 at 1:24 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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It's so stupid that we even have to have this conversation though. You're talking about ~10k on the extreme left and extreme right who don't represent anyone but themselves.
Well said, Drac.
I think the problem with these groups is compounded when normal folks on either side try to paint them as champions of that side of the aisle. Most libs I know don't have any use for antifa. Ditto for conservatives and neo-nazis.
Narratives just get established so quickly these days it's difficult for the voice of reason to prevail over the cacophony.
Posted on 8/26/17 at 1:51 pm to PDXDawg
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If trump wants to call out antifa that's fine but he should've picked a better time to do it.
When should he have done it? Name a date and give me the reason the date is just right.
Posted on 8/26/17 at 1:51 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:Normal folks wouldn't waste their time with such juvenile behavior. It's the Drama Queen sheople who can't wait to scoop and score the propaganda.
I think the problem with these groups is compounded when normal folks on either side try to paint them as champions of that side of the aisle.
Posted on 8/26/17 at 1:56 pm to bencoleman
quote:How many did Hitler kill? How many did Bush kill with the invasion of the Middle East?
Nobody is responsible for more deaths than the left.
Fact is, the establishment is responsible for most of the deaths. They use propaganda to get the short-sighted to place blame on left or right.
Posted on 8/26/17 at 4:02 pm to PDXDawg
Nazis killed 6 million.
Communists have killed over 100 million.
You are right, it is silly to equate wanna be neo Nazis and wanna be antifa communists. Antifa are 15x worse.
Communists have killed over 100 million.
You are right, it is silly to equate wanna be neo Nazis and wanna be antifa communists. Antifa are 15x worse.
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