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re: 'Hamilton' star-Washington & Jefferson statues should come down also
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:29 am to slackster
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:29 am to slackster
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think the rest of the world is jealous. Do you know how good things must be in your country for statue coverage to dominate the news?
Generally speaking the censorship of free speech by state and local governments is usually a sign of terrible things to come. Its not a good thing.
Even worse reshaping history based on restricting free speech has much more in line with fascism than democracy.
Eta: Why is it that some people think that some ideas think the ability tk think freely is too dangerous?
This post was edited on 8/17/17 at 8:38 am
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:30 am to SPEEDY
Something about him doesn't look like Aaron Burr
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:31 am to NYNolaguy1
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Generally speaking the censorship of free speech by state and local governments is usually a sign of terrible things to come. Its not a good thing.
Even worse reshaping history based restricting free speech has much more in line with fascism than democracy.
Yep. These are scary times, and I don't really feel that's all too alarmist.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:32 am to Upperdecker
technically the White House itself was partially built by slaves. time to bring in the wrecking ball.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:33 am to TH03
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That's just stupid though. You can't judge people from the 18th, 19th, or even 20th century by 21st century standards.
FIFY
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:33 am to SPEEDY
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paint the White House
Better tour the plantation homes now. They will be burning em down soon.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:33 am to LNCHBOX
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He said it's a "great question." I'll stand by my statement that he's a fricking dumbass. It's a stupid question. May as well erase the first half of this country's history
I thought his point about why statues exist and why that can change over time was pretty solid. If you're removing statues of slave owners, Jefferson and Washington should be considered. If you're removing Confederate leaders, Jefferson and Washington are immune.
I took his comments to mean that you should question why you're doing what you're doing.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:35 am to Breesus
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Talk aboit a bullshite misleading headline and misconstrued article. If you actually watch the video they twisted everything he said around
Doesn't matter, frick this guy!!!!
Rabble rabble rabble rabble!!!!!!
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:35 am to slackster
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I thought his point about why statues exist and why that can change over time was pretty solid.
If he had stopped there, sure. He didn't though.
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If you're removing statues of slave owners, Jefferson and Washington should be considered. If you're removing Confederate leaders, Jefferson and Washington are immune.
This is fricking stupid. Removing Presidents for doing something legal at the time is fricking dumb. You'd have to erase all history of this country while slavery was allowed to appease that kind of thinking.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:38 am to LNCHBOX
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LNCHBOX
I asked you a question a few days ago but the thread had died down so I'm not sure if you were aware.
Do you find Confederate statues to be even the slightest bit weird considering they/we lost? It would be akin to El Paso erecting a Santa Anna statue.
I understand why the South did it, but there aren't many examples of that kind of thing happening in the rest of the world.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:39 am to LNCHBOX
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You'd have to erase all history of this country while slavery was allowed to appease that kind of thinking.
Thats kind of the goal of the mob and political leaders that embrace this line of thinking. Some thoughts are too dangerous to be allowed to continue.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:40 am to SPEEDY
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"Hamilton" star Leslie Odom Jr.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:40 am to LNCHBOX
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This is fricking stupid. Removing Presidents for doing something legal at the time is fricking dumb. You'd have to erase all history of this country while slavery was allowed to appease that kind of thinking.
I agree, but I took his comments as a call to reflect on the logic being used, not necessarily a comment in support of removing Jefferson and Washington.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:40 am to slackster
Wanting to remove confederate status, while a huge waste of time and money, isn't anything egregious. I personally wouldn't waste my time with it, but to each their own.
Wanting to remove, or even discuss removing, statues of former presidents, particularly ones of founding fathers, is a problem.
Wanting to remove, or even discuss removing, statues of former presidents, particularly ones of founding fathers, is a problem.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:43 am to slackster
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Do you find Confederate statues to be even the slightest bit weird considering they/we lost?
I don't find it weird at all. These weren't some foreign invaders, which would be weird.
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I understand why the South did it, but there aren't many examples of that kind of thing happening in the rest of the world.
The rest of the world isn't the supposed best country in the world, so I don't particularly care what precedents that sets.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:43 am to SPEEDY
I don't really care to discuss statues anymore but people are crazy over that fricking Hamilton play.
It's coming to the Orpheum here next year and as season ticket holders we can buy 4 tickets. One of the parents from the kids school offered $1,000 dollars for 2.
Crazy.
It's coming to the Orpheum here next year and as season ticket holders we can buy 4 tickets. One of the parents from the kids school offered $1,000 dollars for 2.
Crazy.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:44 am to NYNolaguy1
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Thats kind of the goal of the mob and political leaders that embrace this line of thinking
It's a pretty dangerous practice to assume motivations like this, it's an easy way to short-circuit your own ability to be objective about arguments.
But that's common for jewish puppets like yourself who only want to end America through modern slavery.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:44 am to slackster
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Do you find Confederate statues to be even the slightest bit weird considering they/we lost? It would be akin to El Paso erecting a Santa Anna statue.
I dont. Theres many examples around the world of this line of thinking. Take the Irish for example: how many monuments do they have up of their failed rebellions to the crown prior to independance? Or how about why theres so many statues of Oliver Cromwell, even in Ireland/UK, of the same person that raped, burned, and pillaged his way through most of Scotland and Ireland? Thats not to mention Napoleon in France, or even the Kaiser in Germany, or even Stalin in Russia...
I dont see the problem with localities honoring the people they believe fought bravely in whatever conflict.
Posted on 8/17/17 at 8:44 am to TH03
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That's just stupid though. You can't compare US presidents to confederate generals.
Why not? I know there's a big difference, but the one offensive thing... the thing that apparently "counts" is what they have in common. They owned slaves.
If that's the scarlet letter that can't be removed, and the reason why confederate monuments MUST come down, then that's the reason why these presidential monuments ALSO must come down. Logically, that makes sense.
To state otherwise is hypocrisy.
So I say to the the Left, fight on... let this be the hill you die on. Because you can't separate one slaver from another. They are all irredeemably bad. So, goodbye Washington Memorial, nice knowing you, Jefferson Memorial, and light the dynamite for Mount Rushmore. Cleanse it ALL.
Otherwise, kindly shut the frick up about Southern monuments and slavery.
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