re: 'Hamilton' star-Washington & Jefferson statues should come down also

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I'm so sick of all of the insanity on both extremes. Fortunately, normal Americans on both sides far outnumber the left and right wing extremists.

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Exactly. The problem is that these asshats constantly get off to spinning anything to prove their "team" is right.

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Is it really better though? I don't believe he was American.

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History hasn't been kind to him, but he was beloved by his troops. All of Texas was under Mexican rule prior to the Texas Revolution. If people of Mexican descent wanted to erect a statue of Santa Anna anywhere in Texas, it would be akin to Confederate statues in the South.

Both were important to the people who shared their ancestry, and both were defeated and relinquished large amounts of land in the process. If the people in those relinquished lands want to celebrate their historic leaders, let them, as far as I'm concerned.

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Postmodernism has infected the West.

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It really is a disease.

I guess the Lincoln Memorial has to go too because he ordered the biggest mass execution in U.S. history against a minority, the Native American Indians. He also didn't believe that black people should be socially or politically equal to white people, didn't think they should be allowed to vote and didn't believe they should be able to marry white people.

Jesus. Trump flew off the rail and said that shite and put it in people's mind.

Someone needs to address the nation about all of this and explain that these were people of their times.

Although Lincoln abolished slavery, he gave a speech to clear up something he said, that was taken out of context. He made it clear that he thought all men should be free, however; didn't think blacks should share the same social and political rights as whites.

I don't watch news channels like CNN or Fox much at all, but with all this stuff going on, last night I was flipping through the channels and there was a black girl on TV from some black group. She actually said that going back to the 1600s her family tree goes back to Irish & Englishmen, basically saying we could all probably find a different race in our family tree.

But speaking of flipping through the channels at night and this topic is being discussed. That's part of the problem. The media keeps it going. People can't get away from it and it is to the point where we get into issues where everyone will have a strong opinion about.

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Yeah, it's not hard to find flaws in any president regarding race pre-1960.

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Nevermind President. The entire history of the world involves slavery. Every great civilization going back to the dawn of man has used slaves. The argument might be made that slavery based on race instead of being conquered is particularly gruesome, but it fails to understand that race is simply an easy way of describing the "other," which has always been a hallmark of slavery. Romans enslaved people from other Italian cities and civilizations because they were different and they had lost. They were inferior. The same was true of native Americans and their enemies. There's no difference between American colonial slavery and slavery throughout history.

So by their logic, we should wipe out all monuments and historical artifacts pre-Civil Rights Movement. Because to not do so would be to promote slavery.

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To each their own, but I don't see this slippery slope argument taking shape. Trying to erase Confederate statues - the current focus of the day - is a far cry from erasing Washington and Jefferson. To my knowledge, Washington and Jefferson have never been adopted by neo-Nazi groups and what not. They didn't represent the CSA, which is largely the long lost dream of most white supremacists.

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Eh, just because someone adopts something as a figure or symbol for their stupid arse cause doesn't mean we should banish them. We do that kind of shite because we're too fricking lazy to educate ourselves on who these people were beyond these mainstream talking points. Hell, the neo-nazis are now using the Detroit Red Wings logo as a symbol. Should we ban that as a symbol of hate too?

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Perhaps I'm naïve, but I just don't believe it gets to that point. I think the apathy from the general public stops in before it gets to that point.

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You know as well as I do that these people won't stop at confederate monuments. Take Em Down NOLA has targeted Joan of Arc and Charles DeGaulle for Christ's sake.

I think there are varying levels of useful pawns in this game. There are the young SJWs that want to have their 60s moment so they will find absolutely anything to bitch about so it becomes a "civil rights" issue. Then you have the socialists and Marxists that all want to blow up the system. But worst of all we have spineless, slimy, pandering politicians that are flocking to this bullshite because they think it will score them huge political points, bring their names to national attention, and get them a chance to have something to put on their resume when running for a higher office. They've all created a perfect maelstrom of intellectual laziness and rhetorical nonsense.